Yesterday a video alleged to show an ambush on the Mankulam-Oddusudan road had been released on the internet, but the footage was so disturbing that it disappeared from all hosting sites within minutes of being posted. We have no way to determine if the footage is accurate, or if it may have been an older video, but we have never seen the footage before.
The video showed a lone Sri Lankan army transport vehicle being hit by machine gun fire and RPGs. There appears to have been no return fire, as everyone in the vehicle seems to have been killed in the flurry of machine gun fire.
Once the machine gun fire finishes, four or five LTTE members (including at least one female fighter) approach the back of the vehicle and climb inside, as blood pours out from the floor. Then one by one they drag the bodies out and dump them in a pile on the road. Altogether around 20 bodies are piled up, at least one still slightly moving. At one point there is some further movement inside the vehicle, so an LTTE fighter again shoots two of the dying soldiers.
The footage is extremely graphic and very disturbing to watch, as it shows the war in its full brutality. Especially disturbing is the manner in which the dead (and some living) soldiers are dumped onto the ground. I am not criticizing either side, but just pointing out the fact that war is terrible and we should never feel happy at the death of anyone. These types of violent actions are obviously carried out by soldiers on both sides, as that is what war is.
I suggest everyone should watch the clip, so you can understand how bad this war is and the urgent need for peace. The option for peace is in the hands of the Sinhalese and Sri Lankan government, as they are the ones who have initiated this war by invading the Vanni. The people in the South have been sheltered from seeing what is happening to their own soldiers in the war. If they saw the true nature of this war, without the cover of the propaganda curtain, I believe everyone would want peace in this country. Remove the songs, flashy military vehicles, and propaganda messages and see the actual death that this war is bringing to both sides. The government likes to show high tech airplanes, boats and battle tanks in their propaganda news clips, but war is not as clean as they like to show. War reduces people on both sides to act like animals and engage in violence that is unimaginable.
I am not able to provide a link to the video, as it has disappeared from all the sites I have seen it hosted on, but keep an eye out for it. Those who have seen it will understand exactly what I am talking about. If you find a working link for the video, post it in the comments.
Monday, March 2, 2009
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I am not sure what would be so horrific about the video. I seen so many footages of Tamil children killed by Lankan army. The soldiers signed up for it. Its not the LTTE that is invading Singalesse land its the other way around.
[The video showed a lone Sri Lankan army transport vehicle being hit by machine gun fire and RPGs. There appears to have been no return fire, as everyone in the vehicle seems to have been killed in the flurry of machine gun fire.]
I saw the video, and I did not think that dozen of soldiers die by flurry of bullets within minutes. It appears as army truck has run into claymore mine initially.
What can you expect from the LTTE cadres who were behind the enemy lines and any minute they were expecting the SLA, so they were in a hurry to throw the bodies away and to find the weapons inside the truck. But those graphic images were disturbing for anyone to see it. Yes, it was simply waste of lives regardless of race and background. I feel bad for the families of victims.
The problem is there are so many teenagers signing up to join the army. Its ridiculous so many Singalese people let their kids join in the first place whether they are poor or not.
They should know this war is pointless after 30 years but they have not learned anything. Who am I suppose to feel sorry for? When Karuna left, LTTE was severely weakened, there was no need for this war in the first place.
I totally agree with the first comment. It is the invaders that are thrusting themselves toward it. Afterall, the Tigers were fighting enemy soldiers..NOT CIVILIANS LIKE THE SLA DOES.
Start of war bitchez.
[When Karuna left, LTTE was severely weakened, there was no need for this war in the first place.]
Karuna is nobody without LTTE. After all, he is a rapist, killer and criminal and all these are not good signs of warrior, so i guess he was glorified by LTTE when he was with the them. There could have been many unsung heroes in the organization but the public may not have any idea about them except these scumbag made the headlines.
Bhairav,
Its not that Karuna was bad and all. My point is whats the point of this war when LTTE is already weakened. This war is taking the country back 30 years. Prabakaran is one fearless son of a bitch, he always finds ways to fight back. It will be interesting to see how this ends. It would take a miracle for a ceasefire or LTTE to survive without it. If there is a permanent ceasefire, Eelam dream will definitely live on.
Badrinath, So why not we all make a resolution now to stop and not tolerate anyone from beating their war drums in this blog. Why not ask and talk about peace and peace only? How it can be achieved with the LTTEs demise in the very near future.
From the rumors, I believe it was a claymore attack followed by machine gun fire, but the claymore part of the attack is not shown in the video.
I am not criticizing the LTTE soldiers for how they acted, as they are facing an invading army. I just want to highlight that war is terrible for both sides and makes people do things they shouldn't have to do.
The LTTE wants peace, and has always wanted peace, but the Sri Lankan government is too stubborn to give self rule to Tamils. As a result this terrible war is killing thousands of people on both sides.
One thing I like about Prabakaran compared to other leaders is that he can not be bought out like other leaders. This whole war is to kill him. As long as we have him, Eelam dream will live on. If he is not the leader, every other ones will easily be bought out like Karuna.
["Badrinath, So why not we all make a resolution now to stop and not tolerate anyone from beating their war drums in this blog. Why not ask and talk about peace and peace only?"]
We have to remember the Vanni is being invaded by a Sinhalese army killing thousands of civilians. Peace is not something in the hands of the LTTE, its in the hands of the invader. The LTTE is duty bound to protect their people to the best of their ability. They have no fault in killing Sri Lankan soldiers who are invading their lands. But still, all of the Tamils including LTTE want peace.
You may make up some arbitrary rule for peace like "first let the LTTE be destroyed then peace" or "first lets kill all your children then peace" or "first let us rape all the women and then peace", but there is no logic behind such peace proposals. True peace is simple, do not invade the Vanni and stop bombing the Tamil civilians. Only the Sri Lankan government has the power to choose peace, and as long as it chooses to kill Tamils, the LTTE will continue resisting and defending their people to the best of their ability.
{{One thing I like about Prabakaran compared to other leaders is that he can not be bought out like other leaders. This whole war is to kill him. As long as we have him, Eelam dream will live on. If he is not the leader, every other ones will easily be bought out like Karuna.}}
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT...UNLIKE SOME IN TAMILNADU WHO ARE BOUGHT WITH MONEY OR ARE POWER CRAZY..HE HAS DEDICATED HIS LIFE FOR A CAUSE..THAT IS NOBLE INDEED...
The Sinhala teenagers in farming villages are being mislead to join this war. The government is feeding them false propaganda about a successful war with no risks. The fact that there are no jobs available makes it all the more attractive to them.
Did you see the video of the Sri Lankan army trying to shoot a sea tiger boat with artillery? Where is their navy cordon and airforce that they were promised? They were all lied to and then dropped in the middle of hell with no back up or support. These children don't deserve this war. The war should be fought by politicians like Rajapaksha. But he will run away to US and live in comfort when this is over,so he doesnt care.
{{You may make up some arbitrary rule for peace like "first let the LTTE be destroyed then peace" or "first lets kill all your children then peace" or "first let us rape all the women and then peace", but there is no logic behind such peace proposals. True peace is simple, do not invade the Vanni and stop bombing the Tamil civilians. Only the Sri Lankan government has the power to choose peace, and as long as it chooses to kill Tamils, the LTTE will continue resisting and defending their people to the best of their ability.}}}
VERY WELL SAID...WHO COULD EXPECT PEACE IF THEY JUST LAY DOWN ARMS..WHAT ARE THE GUARANTEE THEY WONT BE DESTROYED... HOW COULD ANYONE TRUST THE GOV SINCE ALL THESE YEARS DIDN"T COME UP WITH POLITICAL SOLUTION...ONLY LAME TALKS...
I am really surprised as how LTTE is managing to still put up a fight even though they are surrounded. It makes no sense.
{{Did you see the video of the Sri Lankan army trying to shoot a sea tiger boat with artillery? Where is their navy cordon and airforce that they were promised? They were all lied to and then dropped in the middle of hell with no back up or support. These children don't deserve this war. The war should be fought by politicians like Rajapaksha. But he will run away to US and live in comfort when this is over,so he doesnt care.}}
PITY THEM THEY ARE BEING MISLEAD....IT WILL BE TOO LATE WHEN THEY REALISE IT...THAT's THE REASON..GOV TRYING HARD TO KEEP THE MEDIA CENSORSHIP!!!
DEAR Badrinath,
ONLY ONE THING THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE TO ME...HOW COULD THEY HAVE SWIMMING POOL WHEN PEOPLE WERE SUFFERING...ISN'T THAT SUPRISING...
ANY EXPLAINATION... I AM VERY DISTURBED BY THIS FACT!!
{The LTTE wants peace, and has always wanted peace, but the Sri Lankan government is too stubborn to give self rule to Tamils. As a result this terrible war is killing thousands of people on both sides.}
I'm not a fan of any of the past SL govts including the current. Having said that your comment that LTTE never wanted peace with the Sinhalese. The first time I ever heard the LTTE talk of co-habiting was a few days ago. Until now when its cornered it has always been chasing a mono-ethnic, racist policy. One reason for the current SL govts success is that finally there is a equal match to Piripakaran in the form of Rajapakse who has not been bought out and has dedicated to what he thinks his NOBLE INDEED! All else is history and soon too will Pripakaran. Unfortunately there was been a lot to gain for the whole nation a few years ago if the LTTE had given up some of its worst policies and accepted a powerful compromise. But that too is history. No one else but the LTTE to blame for the stubornness of the SL govt. I suggest you all read this and see how we can move forward.
http://www.dailymirror.lk/DM_BLOG/Sections/frmNewsDetailView.aspx?ARTID=42169
People in Vanni were living happily until the government started the war. They had every luxury like any other cities. LTTE was taking good care of them, of course it all changed after the meaningless invasion.
"One reason for the current SL govts success is that finally there is a equal match to Piripakaran in the form of Rajapakse who has not been bought out and has dedicated to what he thinks his NOBLE INDEED!"
The problem with this statement is Tamils will side with Pirabakaran and Singalese with Rajapakse. This is where the problem lies. There needs to be a leader that is neutral.
["ONLY ONE THING THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE TO ME...HOW COULD THEY HAVE SWIMMING POOL WHEN PEOPLE WERE SUFFERING...ISN'T THAT SUPRISING..."]
The swimming pool was used to train soldiers to swim. Just look at it, does it look like a "luxury" pool for an individual? It's the size of a football field.
All LTTE fighters need to learn swimming and be able to swim while carrying 75 kilo packs on their back. Even the Sri Lankan army does the same thing for their commando units.
The problem is the Sri Lankan propaganda takes anything and tries to make a crazy story out of it. If they find a dirty old bunker, they call it a luxury mansion. If they find a bicycle, they say its a deadly terrorist attack vehicle. If they find anything they make up a story about how its a terrorist device or how the leaders are enjoying life at the expense of the poor. Only foolish people will believe the rubbish the Sri Lankan government publishes.
An invading army gets what it deserved. Quite honestly, this is a soldiers Dharma and no one should feel bad about it. There are deaths on both sides, albeit unnecessary, it had to be done.
An invading army is sticking its head into the Tigers lair, obviously its gonna get buttraped.
This is war, expect it to be nasty.
However, bombing civilians is a rather pussy method of fighting done by the sla.
["The first time I ever heard the LTTE talk of co-habiting was a few days ago."]
This is the usual propaganda the government feeds people. Can you really think of a time during the ceasefire that the LTTE made an attempt to invade the south? The LTTE is not concerned with attacking the south provided the Sri Lankan army does not invade the north.
The Sri Lankan government sends 100,000 soldiers to attack the Tamil areas and then tells us "look, the LTTE is fighting, they are not interested in peace".
I simply marvel at the decision of LTTE that they want to protect the Wanni people in any cost by staying in PTK. When the civilians casualties were mounting, i thought they should have just withdraw from PTK and allowed the civilians to move into government controlled areas to avoid further civilian toll. If they would have done it,# of tamil women would have raped, youth given white van ride and many heinous acts would have done by SLA. But VP made one single great decision so far ever in given all these adversaries that he want to stick to PTK in any cost.
Tamils should remember that whether moderate or extremist Sinhalese all went one notch up against Tamils that we Tamils no longer deserve even devolution solutions for North when the SLA was pacing its ground on LTTE. Do you really expect that Sinhalese will give you even less than satisfactory solutions? Absolutely..NOT.
If LTTE is done, Tamils will be nobodies in SL. Every Tamilian's responsibility to get stronger the LTTE's hands so that we can get some satisfactory solutions.
An invading army gets what it deserved. Quite honestly, this is a soldiers Dharma and no one should feel bad about it. There are deaths on both sides, albeit unnecessary, it had to be done.
An invading army is sticking its head into the Tigers lair, obviously its gonna get buttraped.
This is war, expect it to be nasty.
However, bombing civilians is a rather pussy method of fighting done by the sla.
"Alleged video of Oddusudan ambush released"
1. Why did this man turn upside down in his opinions? Why does this man ask for PEACE all of a sudden? Curious!
Answer: He himself now know that LTTE will loose this war!
2. "Oddusudan"? May be this video is from Oddusudan; but not filmed within a year! I saw this video back in 2007 in youtube. It's a shame that these Disporas! :D keep on uploading old shit telling the whole world that they are newly filmed ones!
SHAME ON YOU.
But SL ARMY and others from SLG have plenty new videos and pics to publish filmed recently.
To the Sinhalese, what ever you say is false. Thats how we look at it because you are living in a country with ZERO tolerance for media freedom. So what you hear is what they wanted to hear and what you try to preach us here is same shit.
How do we believe Tamilnet? Well Tamilnet posted and continuously posted news that were later verified to be true.
Eg: Say your medias said Prapakaran escaped the countries. 2 weeks later, Prapakaran posed for pictures with 2 black tigers who flew in to Colombo.
{ The problem with this statement is Tamils will side with Pirabakaran and Singalese with Rajapakse. This is where the problem lies. There needs to be a leader that is neutral. }
There can be no one person who is Tamil and Sinhalese at the same time. It has to be a Sri Lankan above all. Most of you who are living overseas know this in your heart but are so caught up in this that you chose to ignore. Look at Obama, a great example. Even india. if a country of so many ethnicities can work it out why cant just a hand full of us cant ? You have to be able to accept the other and work towards making a better place for all not just for one. In that respect Rajapakse (as much as he is hated for defeating the LTTE) might and probably is the only hope now. He even learnt tamil and gives speeches. That shows a lot of commitment to me. Lets hope that there will be a political solution immediately after the war. If not then, Sri Lanka as a whole is doomed for all!
Another mystery video that suddenly disappeared just after Badri saw it???
Like the one about the soldier been captured at Mankulam, eh?
Badri, the war is indeed a terrible act. No matter who dies, its a human that dies..so in that point of view I do agree with you.
But as much as its terrible, some times its unavoidable too....... see how agitated you get when you think " the sinhala army has invaded the Vanni and are taking over our land" but we had to live with that agitation for almost 20 years now when the LTTE " tried to carve out a monoethnic home land for tamils from this small country of Sri Lanka" .....
It's unfortunate that anytime Tamils speak about peace they are told there is some ulterior motive behind it. The LTTE has been interested in peace from the beginning, but as long as the Sri Lankan army occupies Tamil land, they must fight.
If you are Sinhalese, then you should at least see the unfortunate Sinhalese teenagers dying to prop up your Sinhalese ego. You are responsible for their deaths because you sent them to the Vanni to die. One day these villagers will realize how they have been used, and there will be another JVP uprising, only this time they will have real weapons, unlike in 1987.
["Another mystery video that suddenly disappeared just after Badri saw it???"]
You probably know why all LTTE videos disappear from sites like youtube. The sinhala government has hired people to flag the videos as violating TOS, so they get removed. In fact you may be one of the people flagging them and making them disappear and then asking "hey, where did your video go you liar!"
to add to Thoughtful Guy's comments;
.. all the countless Sinhalese and Muslim massacres in the North and East perpetrated by the LTTE.
Let put forward a few questions to both Badrinath and Thoughtful Guy both of you at times make pretty valid comments.
1. Can you accept and live as one Sri Lanka?
2. If you can then, like colombo's 27% odd population of tamils will you accept the Sinhalese and Muslims too to have their homes in the north and east? In any decent country you should be able to live anywhere you want. I am sure you know the concept.
3. Now that LTTE is at its lowest what will you accept as a solution to stop killing eachother and going ahead with the answer you gave for question no 1.?
I thought there were 60 million super intelligent commited ealam supporters all through out the world against the mere 15 million or so Sinhaleese... so quite strange that only LTTE videos get flagged.. I thought the Super Intelligent Thamilaaz were masters with highly technical sites like youtube...
["But as much as its terrible, some times its unavoidable too......."]
I also believe this war is unavoidable, since the LTTE needs to defend their people from the invading Sinhalese army. The Sri Lankan government, being the invader, has the power to stop the war by leaving, but they choose not to. So they are clearly responsible.
["so quite strange that only LTTE videos get flagged.."]
Tamils do not believe in press censorship. There are thousands of Sri Lankan propaganda videos on youtube. Most of the Tamils know how to flag videos to get them removed, but we don't do it.
Maybe you think you are helping your country by removing LTTE videos, but actually you are helping the LTTE. Most people in the world would look badly at the LTTE if they saw their violent videos. By removing them you are helping to improve their international image.
{{If they find anything they make up a story about how its a terrorist device or how the leaders are enjoying life at the expense of the poor. Only foolish people will believe the rubbish the Sri Lankan government publishes.
}}
THANK YOU..FOR THE CLARIFICATION
Dear Badrinath,
The footage is ages old and I have seen the clip you described before. The truth is LTTp including you, are trying to demonstrate victories that will never occur again. Accept this guys - the war will end and if praba is a real leader he will let all the innocent civilians to flee in to safety and fight till death which he’ll never do as he has proven himself a covered countless times
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1346013
["1. Can you accept and live as one Sri Lanka?"]
I am sure there is some compromise that would make Tamils accept living in a united Sri Lanka, but it would require a negotiating process to determine what both sides are willing to give and take. Some very basic things would be:
1) remove religion from the government (as in U.S. with seperation of church and state),
2) let each state choose their primary language (while still maintaining three national languages). It's ridiculous to see signs in Jaffna written primarily in sinhalese.
3) stop government funded/sponsored colonization anywhere in the country. The government should not pay Sinhalese to resettle to the Tamil majority areas. At the same time all people should be free to settle anywhere they like at their own expense.
4) lots of devolution to local government.
5) demilitarize north and east, replace soldiers with a Tamil police force.
6) Need to avoid teaching mythological religious based histories like Mahavamsa, and come up with a neutral nonpartisan history for the country that is accurate.
7) need to separate nationalism from race. Tamils will not want to be Sri Lankan as long as Sri Lankan is synonymous with Sinhalese (by race, language, culture, religion).
>>>>Anonymous said...
to add to Thoughtful Guy's comments;
.. all the countless Sinhalese and Muslim massacres in the North and East perpetrated by the LTTE.
Let put forward a few questions to both Badrinath and Thoughtful Guy both of you at times make pretty valid comments.
1. Can you accept and live as one Sri Lanka?
2. If you can then, like colombo's 27% odd population of tamils will you accept the Sinhalese and Muslims too to have their homes in the north and east? In any decent country you should be able to live anywhere you want. I am sure you know the concept.
3. Now that LTTE is at its lowest what will you accept as a solution to stop killing eachother and going ahead with the answer you gave for question no 1.?<<<<
Answers
1) we are already living as one Sri Lanka. Come to colombo and u can see that the Tamils+muslims out number the Sinhaleese (these are accepted stats) And we have no problem with that. we work together. (actually the guy next to me, working on his computer is from Mulative, and who had later moved to Dematagoda in the 90s and now lives in Wellawatta. We eat together, work together, and crack jokes to each other. So there is nothing new for us to do, to live as one Sri Lanka.
2) Yes. I think my first answer explains the answer to the 2nd question too
3)If the LTTE, puts down the weapons, and surrenders through a UN monitored program,and then denounce violence, and get in to the political system, I think that will be the answer. But better remember that its the concept of Ealam that we are fighting against. So if some one hopes to carve out a ealam by joining the political system (unless it passes a referendum) that will fail.
Life is too short for us to waste by fighting each other and killing each other,
Have you ever noticed that most of the seperatists movements are based on poor regions of the world? That is because povery drives people nuts, and makes them believe that they are been victimized by the government (eg- JVP) or by the ethnic majority (LTTE)..but when the country is ricj and everyone has enough money to live comfortably, it stops automatically...so like wise, we shud strive for economic development, and this will be the real solution for all nagging feelings of victimization.
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1224483
National post is a joke. They always write how Tamils are LTTE supporters. The fact is no one cares what NP things anymore. People are starting to show they are LTTE supporters now after realizing no one is going to rescue the Tamils in Vanni. Might as well show respect for our fighters and let them die in honour.
hey badri..
what is your believe? u think that the LTTE can defeat the SLA can capture back all lost areas?
is that practical?
{Have you ever noticed that most of the seperatists movements are based on poor regions of the world? That is because povery drives people nuts, and makes them believe that they are been victimized by the government (eg- JVP) or by the ethnic majority (LTTE)..but when the country is ricj and everyone has enough money to live comfortably, it stops automatically...so like wise, we shud strive for economic development, and this will be the real solution for all nagging feelings of victimization.}
Absolutely correct!
in 2007 SL govt spent 100 bn + on defense (highest ever then) and im sure 2008 would've topped it. Free education cost 30 bn and free health cost a similar amount if I'm not mistaken which puts the 100 bn into perspective. To counter that I am certain LTTE would've matched it. Probably topped it as they have to resort to illegal meant for procurement etc. My point is, if both these monies were put in one pot for all Sri Lankans regardless of Sinhalese, Tamil, Muslim etc. wouldn't we achieve this utopia of helping our people ? Why is it so hard to understand ?
LTTE can not capture the land back that is for sure. Things will get ugly from here. Pirabakaran will die fighting, this will enlighten all the Tamils around the world. He died for a Tamil land and he will be remembered for that. Only god knows where it goes from here since nobody seems to give a rats ass what happens in Sri Lanka.
{LTTE can not capture the land back that is for sure. Things will get ugly from here. Pirabakaran will die fighting, this will enlighten all the Tamils around the world. He died for a Tamil land and he will be remembered for that. Only god knows where it goes from here since nobody seems to give a rats ass what happens in Sri Lanka.}
You seem to be giving a rats ass and so are many here. I think you wanted to say
Only god knows where it goes from here since nobody seems to give a rats ass what happens to the LTTE.
Tamils will still live in Sri Lanka and so will the other communities. So best to look forward with some hope. The money you spent on the war should stop and be spent on the welfare of the population to being about real change which is economic success! Think about it!
National Post and Sun tabloid paper have long been on the Srilankan government's payroll in Canada
["actually the guy next to me, working on his computer is from Mulative"]
The Tamil guy sitting next to you may act like he is happy living in one Sri Lanka, but inside he feels hurt that you are killing his innocent relatives. People are just scared to express their inner feelings because of the Nazi-like regime ran by Rajapaksa. Every Tamil person in Colombo, when speaking off the record, favors an independant Eelam - maybe not ran by the LTTE. There are some who like the LTTE and some who hate the LTTE, but everyone would like an independant Eelam. So that is the true feeling of Tamils everywhere. They have to hide this feeling because you may kill them even if they want to pursue their belief in a peaceful manner.
Today you are sitting next to them joking, and tomorrow you may be leading a riot burning them. I hope your people have actually changed since 1983.
"The money you spent on the war should stop and be spent on the welfare of the population to being about real change which is economic success! Think about it!"
All I can think of is a country run by genocidal brothers and trader Karuna.
The shinala government and the shinala monks never change, they are still 83 mode. Only different now is that they want to eliminate the Tamils in the name of fight against terrorism.
["u think that the LTTE can defeat the SLA can capture back all lost areas?"]
Right now everyone has to just wait and watch, because 90% of what anyone receives is propaganda. No one actually knows what will happen and who will win. The Sinhalese are confidant that they have already won, but I am less confidant. If the LTTE chose to go into hiding, they could drag this war on for decades.
For some reason the LTTE does not want to go into hiding at present. That means either they are very strong, or they want to martyr themselves. Both are equally possible, and only time will show which it is.
{I hope your people have actually changed since 1983.}
You should come and see for yourself before making the comments before this statement. All that is highly prejudicial and patronizing. If that tamil guy next to him wants to say he will go on the net and say it. In my opinion and experience many Tamils are going through hell in the south because of the LTTE and its terrorism as same as all Muslims in the west now are looked upon with suspicion for a hand full of morons called the alqeida. So if LTTE is no more in existence, the Tamils will immediately have a better standard of living just like the Muslims believe so.
{"The money you spent on the war should stop and be spent on the welfare of the population to being about real change which is economic success! Think about it!"
All I can think of is a country run by genocidal brothers and trader Karuna.}
maybe so.. but that's not helping is it ? Its not helping Tamils or you. Sadly, like many, all your hopes were wrongly placed on LTTE.
["All I can think of is a country run by genocidal brothers and trader Karuna."]
That was the funniest comment because its true. I think Tamils hate Karuna more than anyone, because he sold out his own people for money. The Sinhalese think Tamils in east like Karuna, but they don't realize he is enemy number one. Soon Pillaiyan and Karuna will be killing each other's followers over who gets to keep the TMVP offices, and then they will both become nobodies.
I saw the Video and it is horrible. We should not behave like SLA. Terrorism is not the answer for terrorism.
Sri Lanka!! Please Stop the WAR
Sri Lanka!! Please stop Killing Civilians
http://srilankangenocide-civilian.blogspot.com/
{In my opinion and experience many Tamils are going through hell in the south because of the LTTE and its terrorism as same as all Muslims in the west now are looked upon with suspicion for a hand full of morons called the alqeida. So if LTTE is no more in existence, the Tamils will immediately have a better standard of living just like the Muslims believe so.}
It seems you don't understand the responsibility of democratically elected government. A democratically elected government should protect it's citizen not systematically carrying out genocide and claim they are fight against terrorist.
>>>>>>Editor: "Badrinath" said...
["actually the guy next to me, working on his computer is from Mulative"]
The Tamil guy sitting next to you may act like he is happy living in one Sri Lanka, but inside he feels hurt that you are killing his innocent relatives. People are just scared to express their inner feelings because of the Nazi-like regime ran by Rajapaksa. Every Tamil person in Colombo, when speaking off the record, favors an independant Eelam - maybe not ran by the LTTE. There are some who like the LTTE and some who hate the LTTE, but everyone would like an independant Eelam. So that is the true feeling of Tamils everywhere. They have to hide this feeling because you may kill them even if they want to pursue their belief in a peaceful manner.
Today you are sitting next to them joking, and tomorrow you may be leading a riot burning them. I hope your people have actually changed since 1983. <<<<<<<
Badri, your biggest weakness is this urge to "generalize" and "stereotype" people in to predefined blocks (defined by Praba, most of the time)....
You living 1000s of miles away, You who left the country many years ago,act as if you know ME and my feelings better than I my self.
For you every sinhala person is a murderer, every bullet fired at the LTTE is at the "tamil civilian" and every tamil living in colombo "is hoping for a ealam" ..... dat is one major problem dat we have ...
You have no idea what genocide means.. if there it is a genocide against Tamils in SL then Colombo would definitely NOT be 27% of tamils. Lakshman Kadhirgamar and John Fernandopillai (both killed by the LTTE) were nearly becoming PM, Deputy Mayor of Colombo wouldn't have been a Tamil, So many countless ministers, MPs, prominent judges, lawyers wouldn't be tamils, Murali would never have been a hero not only sports but nationally. And most of all the whole free world would NOT have banned the LTTE as a terror organization. Dont trust my word ... this is the proof. Stop the broken record its a lie and its boring now!
How is all this going to happen with guns and bombs. Don’t you think LTTE could’ve got all of this if they had waked away from the gun and gone into the democratic process? Now they not only lost the golden opportunity but also made the Sinhala hardliners get the upper hand. Even if some sane leader wants to give all these it will be almost impossible. LTTE has ruined the chances for all minorities.
With regards to signs.. i think you’re looking at it in a trivial sense. In my opinion we should have if possible French, German, Italian as well as any other we can think of included in sign boards. Sign boards exist for the purpose of dispensing information for the people and not a symbol or power of people living in a particular place. Almost all signs in the south has Sinhala, Tamil and English thank god for that simply because people get what they are looking for. No one will be unhappy about adding another language to it. As for a primary language, it could’ve been English and so many foreign companies would’ve come and Sri Lanka would’ve been another technological success story like Singapore or Malaysia. What a shame!
All my education was in Sri Lanka and I never came across the Mahavamsa. Even if it did it makes little sense to argue and kill each other for something that is supposed to have happened few thousand years ago.
I think the rest of your points even Thoughtful Guy will agree with. I guess he will comment on it!
As far as whether the LTTE can reclaim all of the lands they have lost:
1) If they can hold out till May the BJP is likely to come to power in India. That could completely change the course of the war.
2) If the LTTE is over ran and all of their leaders die in battle, they become eternal heroes to the Tamil people, which may be more powerful than their living presence. Once the LTTE is out of the way, India has to back the Tamil people 100%, as their only excuse has been that the LTTE is a terrorist organization. I would expect a forced settlement would be imposed on Sri Lanka by India.
In both scenarios the Tamil people end up with a lot more than Sri Lanka has planned to give them. So the final winner of this war is likely to be the Tamil people.
Nothing can be disturbing than Sinhella Racist invading coolies bombing of innocent civilians and kids.
http://www.sankathi.com/
I do not think BJP will win. Pirabakaran is banging on it but I believe Congress will win. India will vote for anyone that is named Gandhi even if he/she is a murderer.
BADRINATH...
{["1. Can you accept and live as one Sri Lanka?"]
I am sure there is some compromise that would make Tamils accept living in a united Sri Lanka, but it would require a negotiating process to determine what both sides are willing to give and take. Some very basic things would be:
1) remove religion from the government (as in U.S. with seperation of church and state),
2) let each state choose their primary language (while still maintaining three national languages). It's ridiculous to see signs in Jaffna written primarily in sinhalese.
3) stop government funded/sponsored colonization anywhere in the country. The government should not pay Sinhalese to resettle to the Tamil majority areas. At the same time all people should be free to settle anywhere they like at their own expense.
4) lots of devolution to local government.
5) demilitarize north and east, replace soldiers with a Tamil police force.
6) Need to avoid teaching mythological religious based histories like Mahavamsa, and come up with a neutral nonpartisan history for the country that is accurate.
7) need to separate nationalism from race. Tamils will not want to be Sri Lankan as long as Sri Lankan is synonymous with Sinhalese (by race, language, culture, religion).}
How is all this going to happen with guns and bombs. Don’t you think LTTE could’ve got all of this if they had waked away from the gun and gone into the democratic process? Now they not only lost the golden opportunity but also made the Sinhala hardliners get the upper hand. Even if some sane leader wants to give all these it will be almost impossible. LTTE has ruined the chances for all minorities.
With regards to signs.. i think you’re looking at it in a trivial sense. In my opinion we should have if possible French, German, Italian as well as any other we can think of included in sign boards. Sign boards exist for the purpose of dispensing information for the people and not a symbol or power of people living in a particular place. Almost all signs in the south has Sinhala, Tamil and English thank god for that simply because people get what they are looking for. No one will be unhappy about adding another language to it. As for a primary language, it could’ve been English and so many foreign companies would’ve come and Sri Lanka would’ve been another technological success story like Singapore or Malaysia. What a shame!
All my education was in Sri Lanka and I never came across the Mahavamsa. Even if it did it makes little sense to argue and kill each other for something that is supposed to have happened few thousand years ago.
I think the rest of your points even Thoughtful Guy will agree with. I guess he will comment on it!
http://defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20090303_03
Today's "headline news" on defence.lk, a 5 foot x 5 foot bunker "discovered". Photos reveal it looks like a storage closet dug into the ground. I guess nothing better happened with the 50,000 soldiers entering PTK.
Of course the Sri Lankan military even knows which "senior leader" was using it. Because the story would be boring if they said it was actually used by Mr. Dharmalingam, 70 year old rice farmer.
[In both scenarios the Tamil people end up with a lot more than Sri Lanka has planned to give them. So the final winner of this war is likely to be the Tamil people.]
Badri,
Are you in cheap drugs? Tamils have been fighting for the separate land for last 3 decades. So you're saying that some partial devolution solutions will make Tamils as a winner in this long conflict regardless of the outcome of LTTE's existence? Putting all your faith in India it is more like you are giving your house keys to thieves.
If Tamils do not get North and East combined federal solutions, they are sore losers by big margin.
["Tamils have been fighting for the separate land for last 3 decades. So you're saying that some partial devolution solutions will make Tamils as a winner in this long conflict regardless of the outcome of LTTE's existence?"]
By winners I meant in regards to what Sri Lanka is planning for them. The Sinhalese think after defeating LTTE they are going to through away the political package and impose a worse situation on the Tamil people. The reality is even if the LTTE loses, the Sinhalese are not going to get their way.
The most likely outcome will be LTTE going under ground and harassing the army for decades. Sri Lanka cannot maintain so many troops in the North for a long period of time.
Badrinath... no one is in denial but you. I need not explain as you are clearly demonstrating this.
For your info 83 and the ugliest events that happened are clearly deplored and disgusted majority of Sinhalese and the rest of Sri Lanka. A vast majority of the country if not all will agree without hesitation that it was the ugliest and the worst thing that ever happened to Sri Lanka but that is not to say all Sinhalese did it as there were many how saved tamils even risking their own families and their lives. But what goes on now is compounded by the LTTE (even the civilian deaths that occur due to the army fighing a war) and if the LTTE is not taken out by the SL govt or LTTE stops the way, it will never end as it has done for 30 yrs and not only the tamils who will continue to suffer so will the rest.
1) remove religion from the government (as in U.S. with seperation of church and state),
2) let each state choose their primary language (while still maintaining three national languages). It's ridiculous to see signs in Jaffna written primarily in sinhalese.
3) stop government funded/sponsored colonization anywhere in the country. The government should not pay Sinhalese to resettle to the Tamil majority areas. At the same time all people should be free to settle anywhere they like at their own expense.
4) lots of devolution to local government.
5) demilitarize north and east, replace soldiers with a Tamil police force.
6) Need to avoid teaching mythological religious based histories like Mahavamsa, and come up with a neutral nonpartisan history for the country that is accurate.
7) need to separate nationalism from race. Tamils will not want to be Sri Lankan as long as Sri Lankan is synonymous with Sinhalese (by race, language, culture, religion).}
I add one more point here.
8) Tamils were forcefully moved out of their villages in Trinco in 70s and 80s by Sinhala and police thugs. Those land should be given to rightful owners of Tamils.
DEAR Badrinath,
WHY ARE U KEEP ON DELETING Bhairav POST. WHAT COULD HE POSSIBLY SAID COMPARED TO SOME OTHER HARSH COMMENTS?
["WHY ARE U KEEP ON DELETING Bhairav POST. WHAT COULD HE POSSIBLY SAID COMPARED TO SOME OTHER HARSH COMMENTS?"]
Just duplicate posting. The same post was posted twice. Nothing is being deleted in the comments except comments written in Sinhala language, as most people can't understand what is being said.
Badri/Bahirav....seems it is now over...
Troops rattle LTTE defences, reach Puthukkudiyirippu junction - Mullaittivu
Troops of the 58 Division led by Brigadier Shavendra Silva and Task Force -8 troops led by Colonel Ravipriya under the command of Major General Kamal Goonarathne of the 53 Division, have entered the outskirts of LTTE's remaining garrison at Puthukkudiyiruppu, and reached the Puthkkudiyirippu junction following hours long fierce fighting that left scores of terrorists killed today (March 3) at around 9.30a.m.
LTTE resistances were totally neutralized by the forward domination elements of the 58 Division and Task Force - 8 that led the initial onslaughts to the heavily fortified LTTE foothold, following the breakout of intense in the area since February 20. Infantrymen of the 12(GR) Gajabha Regiment, 1GR and 4 VIR led the initial thrust into the Puthukkudiyirippu junction reportedly securing the town perimeters driving away the remaining LTTE resistances this morning. According to ground sources, terrorists have fled in total disarray in the face of inevitable defeat.
"The capture of the Puthukkudiyirippu junction, overall underscores the end game for LTTE" a defence observer said adding that they (LTTE) are only left with two potions, either to surrender with security forces or to face total destruction. The 10 and 12 GR troops flanked the western boundary of Puthukkudiririiupu while 9, 6 and 12GW troops led the offensive formations from Kombavil and Northwest of Puthukkudiyirippu. The 7(SR) Sinha Regiment, 10 and 11 SLLI troops also led assault formations into the LTTE garrison perimeters, security sources said. 1GR and 4VIR troops of the TF-8 have entered the junction advancing from South of the A- 35 Paranthan - Mullaittivu main road.
Troops are now consolidating defences in the area, while intense fighting is reported further east of Puthukkudiyirippu and Northwest at Iranapalai. More information will follow.
[DEAR Badrinath,
ONLY ONE THING THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE TO ME...HOW COULD THEY HAVE SWIMMING POOL WHEN PEOPLE WERE SUFFERING...ISN'T THAT SUPRISING...
ANY EXPLAINATION... I AM VERY DISTURBED BY THIS FACT!!]
<-- Swimming pool can be a good place to train sea tigers in addition to being a good exercise for any soldier. I do not expect this to be used for just pleasure but for physical exercise?
["WHY ARE U KEEP ON DELETING Bhairav POST. WHAT COULD HE POSSIBLY SAID COMPARED TO SOME OTHER HARSH COMMENTS?"]
Oopps, no one deleted my posts. I'm the one deleted some of my duplicate posts. Badri is the most tolerant admin when it comes to any posts.
Badri, what's the latest on the PTK town fall claimed by govern media? As usual they are 100m away from the junction?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7920260.stm
Sri Lankan cricketers now safe: shootout at Pakistan [Updated]
6 Sri Lankan cricketers were reported injured including skipper Mahaela Jayawardene, wicketkeeper batsman Kumar Sangakkara and Tilan Samaraweer in a shootout at Lahore in Pakistan this morning (March 3). According to Pakistan news sources, the visiting Sri Lankan cricketers were on their way to the Gaddafi international stadium minutes before commence of the 3rd day's play of the second test between Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Reports received confirm that seamer Chaminda Vaas, open batsman Tharanga Paranawithana, spin sensation Ajantha Mendis also among the injured including 4th umpire Ashan Raza.
Latest information from Lahore confirms that the Sri Lankan players are now out of danger and had received minor injuries.
At least 5 Pakistan policemen providing security to the Sri Lankan players were reported killed who had valiantly fought with the unidentified gunmen. According to available information, 4 unidentified gunmen who had arrived in a white car had opened indiscriminate small arms and RPG grenade attacks at the bus and the escort vehicles that was transferring the Sri Lankan cricketers to the stadium. Tension prevails in the area with Pakistan security forces and Police engaged in hot-pursuit of the gunmen.
Meanwhile, the Punjab provincial governor making an initial comment to media has said that the attack bears hall marks of the 26/11 Mumbai terror attack on 2008
RAW in action again ?
LTTE, Badrinath ???
Hey Puli girl, I thouhgt 1000 LTTE were in thirumurukandi/ mankulam? If they had at least thrown one stone each at those army buses they could have done a lot of damage, no? Were they busy with other work?
[RAW in action again ?]
I doubt that. If there was a bomb blast or claymore mine on the players' bus, i would suspect RAW but 4 gunmen in this shooting rampage says other players involved.
Breaking News!!!
The following video shows heroic forces of Tamil Eelam conducting a coordinated ground sea and air operation against Sighalam invaders.
Do not be misled by Sighalese government propaganda. War is far from over and LTTE is stronger than ever.
The footage looks a bit rugged, but my sources assured me that this infact was recodred a couple of days back.
Keep the hopes alive
Here's the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwLo6mH6-Wo
The cricket attack has no connection with the LTTE. The players were hardly targeted, but the police escort was fully attacked. This shows it was targeting the government of Pakistan.
Everyone should note how sad Sinhalese are that 6 cricket players got hurt in an attack, but when thousands of children in the Vanni have been killed by their own government no one cares.
Dont they ? Then what is this?
http://defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20090226_07
If LTTE care so much then what about this?
http://defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20090209_06
Poda naye!
To clarify what I meant above, if the LTTE really wanted to attack the cricket team, they wouldn't just be injured. From what I understand none, of the cricket players have bullet wounds, just shrapnel and glass wounds. If the LTTE wanted to kill the cricket players (which they have never tried to do in 30 years), they would have actually shot them or blew up their vehicle with an RPG. They would not have let them off with glass wounds.
Its not in the ltte's nature to target cricket players.
There are some s0tory are around, that even LTTE took the day or night off to watch world cup cricket final.
Also LTTE could have done this in colombo or kandy not in Lahoore. If they wanted. We tamils should not care for the cricketer, becuase no one does for our childrent dieing in wanni.
Is there any news about CJ's balls?
Because HuthuKudu has been taken over although 1000 of LTTE cadre (Or a batallion of RATS) on the verge of taking back Killi.
* DON'T SUPPORT PRABAKARAN, SAYS MP VINAYAGAMOORTHY MURALITHARAN
Monday, March 2, 2009, 14:49 GMT, ColomboPage News Desk, Sri Lanka.
Mar 02, Ampara: Parliamentarian Vinayagamoorthy Muralitharan alias Karuna Amman, one time area leader of the rebel outfit LTTE, today urged the Tamil people not to support Velupillai Prabhakaran who is forcibly detaining the innocent civilians.
Speaking at a rally held at Akkareipaththu in Ampara District this morning MP Muralitharan said the day the government forces liberating the entire North is not far away.
He said when the army reaches the rest of the small area currently controlling by the LTTE in North, the rebels have to surrender or commit suicide.
MP Muralitharan said the freedom that the Eastern people are currently enjoying should be granted to the Northern people immediately.
He urged the Tamil people to unite against the rebel outfit which destroyed their lives.
http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=28582
"Desperate parents are donating blood to the makeshift hospital in the area which gives a packet of milk powder for each donor."
Meaning : This hospital is run by the LTTE and is treating the wounded cadres who are running low on blood. So, either donate some bloody for the 'cause' or starve to death.. your choice !!!
Using food as a means of terrorizing the population is a WAR CRIME you donkeys !!!
Pro-LTTE outfit leader held for defending Rajiv's killing
Press Trust Of India
Dindigul, March 02, 2009
Last Updated: 19:08 IST(2/3/2009)
Leader of a pro-LTTE outift was on Monday arrested on the charge of defending the assassination of former prime minister Rajiv Gandhi by the Tigers.
Thanthai Periyar Dravidar Kazhagam leader Kolathur Mani was arrested in Salem for his speech at a public meeting here on February 26, police said.
Addressing the meeting, Mani had reportedly stated that "the assassination of Rajiv Gandhi was a right action".
This is the second time Mani had been arrested for speaking in support of banned LTTE since December last. Earlier, Mani, along with film director Seeman and another person, was arrested on December 19 for supporting the LTTE at a meeting in Erode district. Mani was later released on bail.
The state government had recently warned that it would not tolerate criticism of national leaders and burning of their portraits during protests over Sri Lankan Tamil issue.
Badri.... wts happening in PTK? Any news from the "source" ??
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090303/wl_sthasia_afp/pakistansrilankacricketunrestsri_20090303100014
But in December Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapakse finally gave the green light, making the team the first to play a Test in Pakistan since South Africa in October 2007.
He he.....Butcher gave green light for everything. Now butcher is going to reap one by one for all the seeds that he sow.
Badri,
What happened to the Photoshoper of defence.lk? Still photos of four artillery barrels not uploaded. Any bug in the photoshop software?
http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20090302_08
Oh boy u r fucked so fucked.. I can't beleive MR's luck. First when IC is turning towards ceasefire mumbai attacks came..now when it seems like the tide is turning pak attack... This is th final nail on LTTE cofin. Oh boy LTTE is fucked big time...!!! it doesnt matter who did this... but the media hype is enough!! did u guys see CNN and BBC reporting this?
yes, i can confirm,that our brave LTTE-troops left PTK-town last night due to the overwhelming pressure of the SLA. After one week of heavy urban fighting the dominance of the SLA simply was too strong. Please remind,that only 2000 LTTE-fighters fought against 20.000 SLA-soldiers with all heavy weaponry and an air force. The remaining LTTE-cadres left PTK-town around 02.00 h last night and withdrew to the region east of PTK towards the coast,which is called "Safe Zone" by the sinhalese genociders.
From Khotaipaya :::I am sorry there's no war or ethnic conflict in Northern Sri Lanka.
From Khotaipaya :::Basic Buddhism Guide: Buddhist Ethics is not to kill Tamil people.
Why Taliban is trying kill our cricketers ?
Iran love Taliban; and Sri Lanka love Iran ==> Srilanka and Taliban are cousins. Lets not target cousins
From Khotaipaya ::: Our Sri Lankan Soldiers are trained to destroy and wipe out the minority. There is no one out there can stop us from what we are doing.
Badrinath: you said;
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2) let each state choose their primary language (while still maintaining three national languages). It's ridiculous to see signs in Jaffna written primarily in sinhalese.}
Here's an example of a Sri Lankan govt form
http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=28592
See all the 3 languages ?
Hi singala monkeyfuckers,
LOL read more news on the fall of PTK.. If PTK fell, defence.lk would hoist a fucking banner of it on their site. Keep targeting PTK and sooner or later you will realize that teh Tigers have moved around you!
Lets make one thing clear, Tigers dont hit below the belt like the sla (6000 shells into civilian safe zone.. a lil too much dont ya think?). So those who attacked the sl cricket team were taliban/al qaeda. If it were the Tigers, all the cricketers would have perished. No one left behind. Thats what you call dedication to a job well done. But our conflict is not with sportsmen, its with the shitlankan regime. Stop the oppresion, give us Tamils back our rights... or start booking a tombstone.
Viva la Eelam~
Read what RedCross. You still say people don't want to leave the LTTE? Ada paavi...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7922096.stm
From Wise,
Hay guys we understand u r anger and disappointment. All u r toilet cleaned hard earned money has gone for what?
Bungalows, swimming pools, and to give even unused weapons to SLA?,, U got raped not by STF...u guys got raped by VP for a long time...
do u still give money to VP? its really intersting to read u r comments guys..soo funny.. u should have given u r money to sakvithi..atleas it will not be used by SLA then..
Hi Bradri,How are you ?
Once again your sinhala friend salute you.
Hi, sinhala boy,
You cant even fucking spell his name. You have proved that you are stinkalese. Good job!!
No wonder you made the Tamils score higher grades to enter university, or it would have been a 70-30 ratio of Tamils to stinkalese in the universities.
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Hey Tamil diaspora retards! Post more videos! You will achieve Peelam for sure!
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