Tuesday, June 2, 2009

13,130 Tamil civilians missing from IDP camps



By Matthew Russell Lee of Inner City Press

UNITED NATIONS, June 2 -- With the UN already under fire for withholding and downplaying the number of civilian casualties in Sri Lanka, another ongoing controversy has opened up concerning the number of internally displaced persons detained in the IDP camps in northern Sri Lanka. Between May 27 and May 30 reports from the UN's Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs state that over 13,000 IDPs simply disappeared from the camps.

OCHA's May 30 report states that "276,785 persons crossed to the Government controlled areas from the conflict zone. This represents a decrease of 13,130 IDPs since the last report (Sitrep No.18) on 27 May 2009. The decrease is associated with double counting. Additional verification is required."

But earlier, OCHA had praised the "improved, systematic registration being undertaken in the camps."

UN sources in Colombo tell Inner City Press that senior UN officials above them, Sri Lankan nationals who are Sinhalese, are downplaying the 13,000 "missing" IDPs, which would otherwise be of much concern given the reports of disappearances from the camps, the seizing of teenage males for detention and females for other purposes, as UK Channel 4 asserted with on camera interviews.

These UN sources are surprised, since even Secretary General Ban Ki-moon is under fire for downplaying what has happened to the Tamils, that the UN would be so seemingly cavalier about 13,000 "missing" persons from almost entirely Tamil interment camps.

Meanwhile, in further fall out, journalist Poddala Jayantha, secretary of the Sri Lanka Working Journalists' Association, was kidnapped near his home and severely beaten with sticks before being dumped in a suburb of Colombo. The government had accused him of being too sympathetic to the Tamil Tigers -- or just to the Tamils. The UN, too, has its different way of trying to crack down on journalists.




57 comments:

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

"Those accounts came from people under LTTE control whose lives would depend on what they say (or don't) to the press."

Yeah right.Philippe Bolopion, Marie Colvin,Catherine Philips, ICRC, UN etc etc are under LTTE control.They would have landed up like Poddla Jayantta if not like Lasantha if they did not tell LTTEs version right?

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

"I think you need a little lesson on religion in Sri Lanka."


"Buddy, why don't you pay a visit to Sri Lanka to see the country with your own eyes, instead of getting spastic from internet stories??"

You can spin all you want on the theoretically fine points of Hindu-Buddhist relations, but it means Zilch when Sinhalese put posters saying "This Hindu deity is the servant of the Buddha." , then builds a Buddha statue to shadow it, and forces Hindu temples to celebrate their rituals.
By your logic Sunni-Shia, Christian-Jew-Muslims would be buddies since they worship the SAME god??
In addition the extremely derogatory comments of educated Sinhalese against Hindu gods in the blogs give lie to your chummy theory.
So try your spin elsewhere.

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

"Interesting story- if his home in Vavuniya was burnt by Sinhala goons, why did Kumar's family move deeper into the south to live among the Sinhala majority? I'm not doubting his story at all, I just want to see whether you have an intelligent answer.

The fact that he chose to move to the south rather blows a hole through your solution of giving him his own homeland, STD"

I do not purport to say his story is right.It could be true, or false.But its not an impossible story.If you are bombed day in and day out, and all avenues to food, amenities and schooling are heavily blockaded(by GoSL), its no surprise why a person would not choose to live in-cognito in the South than choose to live in that difficult place???
This phenomena happens in all areas where civil wars take place and one party is bombing the other at will.

Bhairav said...

[How am I insulting Bhairav by pointing out that the LTTE shot Tamil civilians trying to escape??]

They were killed by artillery of SLA while they were holed up in a bunker on May 15th. If they can be killed in a bunker, it shows the level of bombardment by SLA.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

Get ready for lynch mobs:

"Government prepares to release the names of persons who supported the LTTE."

All moderate reporters better flee the country before the announcement is made.

Thoughtful Guy said...

Hey Badri.... some time back I remember reading an article from you about how there is about 10,000 hard core fighters and about 40,000 soft core/militia members for the LTTE...so, if we go by that, we can expect to see many more "disappearances" (40,000-13,000=27,000)...I mean wouldn't the ltte done the same if they had rounded up SLA members in civilian camps??

mahindan10 said...

[Editor: "Badrinath" said...

Get ready for lynch mobs:

"Government prepares to release the names of persons who supported the LTTE."

All moderate reporters better flee the country before the announcement is made. ]



Even though the ltte is no longer there, this barbarian gosl is going to keep the ghost of ltte living for ever so that the genocide of tamils can be continued non-stop and anyone saying anything against the government can be labeled as pro-ltte! taking the paths of burma, sudan, etc. Sadly, this was well supported by the west also util only 3-4 months ago ....



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LankaBoy_007 said...

man.... only seven comments so far.. well we can see the start of end. die ass pora totally forgot the brothers sisters and family.. no country no brothers.. surprisingly tamiz nut haven’t got figures so far. may be tamil circle became a triangle? any wayz whose the new leader of ltte? ohh im sorry thalathel weera still alive™ and Pottu too. infact whole lttp is their and just launched the operation Redde Bird. But this time they got strict orders from sun goat don’t even close a n open tap.

wijayapala said...

STD,

"ICRC, UN etc etc are under LTTE control.They would have landed up like Poddla Jayantta if not like Lasantha if they did not tell LTTEs version right?"

Probably would've wound up even worse. But I forgot, the LTTE has never ever intimidated or heaven forbid murdered any Tamil dissident in its entire existence.

"You can spin all you want on the theoretically fine points of Hindu-Buddhist relations, but it means Zilch when Sinhalese put posters saying "This Hindu deity is the servant of the Buddha.""

Actually what seems to be Zilch is your knowledge of Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sri Lanka in general. Based on your posts, I would be surprised if you could point out the South Asian region on a map.

Go to India and you will see that the Hindus have appropriated Buddha in their own temples and rituals. In one temple in Tamil Nadu they use "calm" Buddha literally as a counterweight for "angry" Durga. In another they openly and quite proudly celebrate the "defeat" of Buddhism by having an elephant tap a Buddha statue with its trunk.

So should I adopt STD logic and scream that the Hindus are genociding Buddhism????

"and forces Hindu temples to celebrate their rituals."

Goofball, the Indian couple did not go to a Hindu temple. They visited something called a "devale" which is a Buddhist shrine to guardian deities, again in Sri Lanka appropriated from Hinduism. If they were in Kandy as they claim (I've never heard of a "Kandy Kathirgamar" temple; the shrine to Kathirgamar is in Kataragama not Kandy, and there is no sign saying that he's a servant of Buddha in Kataragama) then it was most likely a devale.

"In addition the extremely derogatory comments of educated Sinhalese against Hindu gods in the blogs give lie to your chummy theory."

If you want to judge all Sinhalese (or Tamils for that matter) solely by the retards on the internet, don't let me stop you. Perhaps it would be equally fair to judge you as foolishly ignorant of Sri Lanka based on what I've seen you post here and elsewhere (I say "foolishly" because I don't know another way of describing someone who pretends to be an expert).

"If you are bombed day in and day out, and all avenues to food, amenities and schooling are heavily blockaded(by GoSL), its no surprise why a person would not choose to live in-cognito in the South than choose to live in that difficult place???"

Then why doesn't young Kumar live in Tamil Nadu, where he doesn't have to pass as a Sinhala??? He clearly indicated that he is able to travel to India. Use your thinking cap!

wijayapala said...

Hi Bhairav,

"They were killed by artillery of SLA while they were holed up in a bunker on May 15th. If they can be killed in a bunker, it shows the level of bombardment by SLA."

Were these the relatives who had joined the LTTE (willingly or not) and were shooting at the SLA? Or were they unarmed people whom the LTTE threatened to kill if they tried to escape?

FreedomFighter said...

Badri. I am speechless. I do not how these songalale racist people how their true colors here.

I do not know if these people ever think that how tamils realtives of the people will feal about this disappearances ? do they think tamils will forget what happend and happily brand them self sri lankan's.

How long can this world watch this genocide being committed in name of fighting terror.

FreedomFighter said...

some facts wont change.. 30,000 civilions were not killed by LTTE shooting at the them..if that is the case sri lanka has nothing to fear about international investigation.

these 13,000 civilians went missing after entering the camps controlled by sri lankan government.

sri lanka is committing genocide. its need to be investigated. If that does not give justice tamils. Tamils must deal with it directly give the singalese what they gave us. with intrest.
There will support for that.

FreedomFighter said...

This talk of recoiliation Jayraj is very is very insulting to Tamils plight at the moment.

While 300,000 people live extreme conditions and under constant threat from security forces, when large scale disappearance are still happening.

Its not you who need to reconcile, who live in comfort. its these 300,000 people in the camps and singalese who supported the war.

Total waste time for ex colombo tamil and singalese trying show they ready to reconcile.

See if you can try that on those people who really effected by this war. the widows and orphans the handicaps and the refugees.

FreedomFighter said...

We tamils have been fighting against Sinhalese and foreign invader for thousands of years,
not just last 30 years. They have many defeats and many victories we have faced over our
enemy's but we will never ever allow the enemy's to succeed in the long run.

The Sinhalese will try again to achieve something they could not do for 1000 year, to uproot our people from their home land. We must not allow that. What ever it takes.
We must face the challenges with the long term vision.

wijayapala said...

"We tamils have been fighting against Sinhalese and foreign invader for thousands of years"

Really? I was not aware of this- I heard that Sinhalese and Tamils lived in peace. Can you give one example of a Sinhala-Tamil war fought thousands of years ago?

"The Sinhalese will try again to achieve something they could not do for 1000 year, to uproot our people from their home land. We must not allow that. What ever it takes."

It seems that you personally have been uprooted from your homeland which is why you are typing from a country outside Tamileelam (I am also uprooted but I am not talking big like you are). How did you allow that to happen?

out_sider said...

FF said "Tamils must deal with it directly give the singalese what they gave us. with intrest.
There will support for that."

So are you heading to Sri Lanka to help deal out justice? Or, will you do so from your keyboard? I have seen little to offer those who fought and died except for rhetoric, and perhaps money.

wijayapala, I find your comments posted on this site both snide and condescending, and I am neither Tamil nor Sinhala. Taken on the whole I would go so far as to say you are a racist towards Tamils. You, sir, have become that which you protested against on other boards. I find your posts demeaning to those who are dealing with a situation that they felt could not occur just a few short months ago. You would not offer up such comments if you meet a Tamil in person as any other individual that overheard your comments would be ashamed to know you and realize that you held such views.

And, to the Tamils who post regularly on this site, you too are racists against the Sinhala. I stated a long time back that the LTTE was doomed. I just did not know that they would stand and fight to the last man all because of a megalomaniac who decided, much as Hitler did, that if his nation could not bring him victory than it was not worthy and needed to die with him.

It does not matter who is in power - invest in him absolute power and that power will corrupt him absolutely. Politicians are the same throughout the world. They crave power. For what is money when you have the power of life and death over people. Or can ruin them with just a few words.

I have read the reports that the GoSL is colonizing the North and East of Sri Lanka. Am I surprised by this - no. The Europeans did this to the Native Americans in both North ans South America. It is the best way to maintain the control that they won through their force of arms. Face facts - you chose to fight a civil war and lost. You choose not to settle the war when you could deal with the GoSL on a more equitable basis. Did the Allies accept a conditional surrender from Japan at the end of WWII? The Tamils will be marginalized as a society in Sri Lanka. They will continue to exist as a people with some rights but it will not be a nation any time in the foreseeable future, and it may never be. The IDP's will eventually be resettled but they will be dispersed and never achieve a majority except in a few small towns. And, there is very little that the Tamil's can do about it. You talk of finding some western power and offering them anchorage in Trincomalee but the fact is that they have no interest in your island, and that anchorage has already been handed out by the GoSL. The IC will offer you lip service and may even send a token fact finding group under the UN to "investigate" your claims. In the end, nothing will come of it and you will blame the west's lack of interest for your community's own failings.

The fact of the matter is that the IC, India included, has little interest in a Tamil nation on the island of Sri Lanka. It would be similar to the mid east with Israel's and Palestinian's packed into an island and left to see which was still standing at the end of the fighting. The island would break out in war every 20 or so years with peace occurring because both sides were exhausted and bankrupt. The pause would allow both sides to re-arm and begin again. There would be no stability and that instability could spread to other surrounding nations. I am sorry but no one wants to see such a nation.

You have a lot of introspection that needs to be done within your community - both Tamil and Sinhala.

I would offer all just one piece of personal advice - be happy. Life is too short to waste your time living in misery.

ashokkumar2103 said...

KP's latest interview at ATBC, link: Tamilnatham.

FreedomFighter said...

get back to school and pass you history lesson..


1.2 million eelam Tamils have been up rooted. if you don't know that already. it been happening over the last 25 years of civil war. its about go in full speed.

FreedomFighter said...

outsider..
[So are you heading to Sri Lanka to help deal out justice? Or, will you do so from your keyboard? I have seen little to offer those who fought and died except for rhetoric, and perhaps money]

This is not rhetoric and this true feeling of Tamil who is effected greatly by this war.
More then just any outsider's can imagine.
Also believe action speak louder then words.


[The fact of the matter is that the IC, India included, has little interest ]

I do not believe that 100% true. since our voice has been listened by the IC more then india. Might not not have had greater effect. Since they only realise they are dealing with
Terroist State like sri lanka.


[tamils are racist]

Did we lock up 300,000 people in the camps ? did we kill 35,000 singales ?



Outsider you sound like Pro Singalese. Just go to defencwire then you will how crazy thses
singalese are.

FreedomFighter said...

[ You choose not to settle the war when you could deal with the GoSL on a more equitable basis. Did the Allies accept a conditional surrender from Japan at the end of WWII?]

This bullshit, you are twisting the history of this war. Ceasefire accord was ended by singala president ? all those agreements and proposals were broken .

The fact Singales and Indian could not handle that LTTE was on equal basis talking to them. Thats the reason thy got help from chinese and pakis to defeat the tigers.

Singalese do not wat tamils to be equal to them.

FreedomFighter said...

[You have a lot of introspection that needs to be done within your community - both Tamil and Sinhala.]

Tamils are already doing that. we will deal with this in the right way.

But what reason does singalese have to do this ? can't you they have victory dance for 2 weeks ? Most singalese do not even the true extend of the war ? how people from the village in deep south will read the blog ?

FreedomFighter said...

[anchorage in Trincomalee but the fact is that they have no interest in your island]

do not worry about that.. we have few more things to offer to the who expects returns for help.
Now Chinese have entered the scene.. possibilitys are endless.

lion5den said...

[we have few more things to offer to the who expects returns for help.]

- suicide bombing 101
- credit card fraud
- drug dealing
- home made explosives 101

just to name a few ....

these diaspora morons will continue to bleat as usual. they have the luxury of kicking a few dollars in, ranting on websites and then patting themselves ont he back that they did their bit for peelam.

these IDPs will get resettled, govt will then move on to securing democratic rule and investing in rebuilding the war ravaged areas.

any morons agitating seperatism will get smoked.

ashokkumar2103 said...

Mano Ganesan:

புலிகளின் ஆயுதப் போராட்டம் முடிவிற்கு வந்துவிட்டது. இந்த உண்மையை புலம்பெயர்ந்துள்ள தமிழர்கள் ஏற்றுக் கொள்ள வேண்டும். புலம்பெயர்ந்துள்ளவர்களின் போராட்டங்கள் தமிழினத்தின் பிரச்சினைகளை இன்று உலகறிய செய்திருப்பது உண்மை. ஆனால் தாய்நாட்டிலே வாழ்கின்ற தமிழ் மக்களின் வரலாற்றுக் கேள்விகளுக்கு புலிகளின் ஆயுதப் போராட்டமும் அதைச் சார்ந்த புலம்பெயர்ந்த தமிழர்களின் கவன ஈர்ப்பு போராட்டங்களும் விடைகளை கொண்டு வரவில்லை என்ற கசப்பான உண்மை புரிந்து கொள்ளப்பட வேண்டும் என ஜனநாயக மக்கள் முன்னணியின் தலைவர் மனோ கணேசன் எம்.பி. தெரிவித்துள்ளார்.

நாட்டின் இன்றைய நிலைமைகள் தொடர்பில் கருத்து தெரிவித்த மனோ எம்.பி. மேலும் கூறியதாவது, 1940 களில் தொடங்கப்பட்ட தமிழர்களின் தேசிய போராட்டத்தின் தலைமையை 1970களில் தொடங்கப்பட்ட ஆயுதப் போராட்டம் சுவீகரித்துக் கொண்டது. ஆயுதப் போராட்டம் தோற்றுவித்த யுத்தம் முடிவிற்கு வந்துவிட்டாலும் தேசிய போராட்டத்தை தோற்றுவித்த அரசியல் காரணங்கள் அப்படியே இருக்கின்றன. தேசிய இனப் பிரச்சினையை தோற்றுவித்த இந்த காரணங்களுக்கு படிப்படியாக பதில் தேடும் தேவையை மறந்து ஆயுதப் போராட்டம் கொண்டு செல்லப்பட்டதனாலேயே இன்று தோல்வி ஏற்பட்டுள்ளது.

இந்த தோல்வியுடன் இந்நாட்டிலே தமிழ் இனம் ஆரம்பித்த இடத்திற்கே மீண்டும் திரும்பியுள்ளது. அத்துடன் மேலதிக சுமையாக மூன்று இலட்சத்திற்கும் மேற்பட்ட அப்பாவி மக்கள் அகதிகளாக தடுப்பு முகாம்களில் வாழ வேண்டிய நிலைமை ஏற்பட்டுள்ளது. இடம்பெயர்ந்து முகாம்களில் வாழும் நமது மக்கள் தொகையில் பத்தில் ஒருவர் அங்கவீனராக உள்ளனர். இரண்டு பெற்றோர்களையும் இழந்துவிட்ட பெருந்தொகை குழந்தைகள் இருக்கின்றார்கள்.

பிள்ளைகளை இழந்துவிட்ட பெருந்தொகை அனாதை வயோதிப பெற்றோர்களும் இருக்கின்றார்கள். மிகப் பெருந்தொகையானோருக்கு தமது குடும்ப அங்கத்தவர்கள் உயிருடன் இருக்கின்றார்களா அல்லது உயிருடன் இருந்தால் எங்கே இருக்கின்றார்கள் என்ற கேள்விகளுக்கு விடை கிடைக்கவில்லை. தனித்துவிட்ட பெண்களின் பாதுகாப்பான வாழ் நிலைமைகள் கேள்விக்குறியாகவுள்ளன. மந்த போசனமும் தொற்று நோயும் பசியும் நமது மக்ககளை வாட்டுகின்றன.

இந்நிலையில் நமது மக்களின் அகதி வாழ்க்கை தொடர்பிலான கேள்விகளுக்கு விடைகளை தேடுவதிலும் அரசியல் தீர்வு தொடர்பில் நிலவுகின்ற கேள்விகளுக்கு விடைகளை தேடுவதிலும் சமாந்தர போக்கை கடைப்பிடிக்க வேண்டியது அனைத்து தமிழ் அரசியல் சக்திகளின் வரலாற்று கடமையாகும். இந்த இரட்டை நோக்கங்களை அடைவதற்கு நாம் இலங்கை மண்ணில் இருந்தபடி ஜனநாயக ரீதியாக செயற்படுகின்றோம். தாய் நாட்டிலே வாழும் மக்களின் மத்தியில் இருந்து செயற்படும் தமிழ் அரசியல் தலைமைகளுக்கு துணை சக்தியாக மாத்திரமே புலம்பெயர்ந்த தமிழர்களின் எதிர்கால நடவடிக்கைகள் அமைய முடியும். இதை புலம்பெயர்ந்த தமிழ் முன்னோடிகள் புரிந்து கொள்ள வேண்டும்.

ashokkumar2103 said...

இன மான தமிழ் உணர்வாளர்களே! , களமாடும் போராட்ட வீரர்களே !!,

வருகின்ற ஞாயிறு 07-06-2009 அன்று காலை 10 மணி அளவில் பெங்களூரில் மாபெரும் மனிதச் சங்கிலி போராட்டம் நடை பெற உள்ளது.
தமிழ் ஈழம் அடைய , தமிழர் உயிர், உடமை காக்க இப் போராட்டம் நடை பெறுகிறது. பெங்களூர் கிழக்கு தொடர் வண்டி நிலையம்( East Railway station) அருகில் உள்ள விளையாட்டு அரங்கத்தில் தொடங்கி கப்பன் சாலை வரை நீண்டு செல்கிறது.

செந்தமிழ் போராளி. சீமான் கலந்துகொண்டு சிறப்புரை ஆற்றுகிறார். மற்றும் கர்நாடகா, தமிழ் நாட்டு தமிழ் உணர்வாளர்களும், மனித உரிமை அமைப்புகளும், பகுத்தறிவாளர்களும் கலந்து கொள்கிறார்கள்.

விடுதலை புலிகளை அழித்து போரை முடித்து விட்டதாகவும், தமிழ் ஈழ தேசிய தலைவர் பிரபாகரன் அவர்களை கொன்று விட்டதாகவும், இனி தமிழ் ஈழ போராட்டம் என்பதே இல்லை எனவும் கூறி இலங்கை, இந்திய உளவு படைகளும் இராணுவமும் சேர்ந்து செய்யும் சதிகளுக்கும், சூழ்ச்சிகளுக்கும் பொய் செய்திகளுக்கும் மத்தியில் இப்போராட்டம் நடைபெற உள்ளது.

ஆகவே, தமிழ் வீரர்களே! , திரண்டு வாரீர் !, அணி அணியாக வாரீர் !, ஆண்கள் , பெண்கள், இளைஞர்கள், இளம்பெண்கள், முதியவர்கள், சிறார்கள் அனைவரும் கலந்து கொண்டு " தமிழர்களின் இன மான உணர்வு, போராட்டம் , லட்சியம் சாக வில்லை" என்பதை நிரூபிக்க வாருங்கள். வெற்றியை நிரூபித்து இவ் உலகத்தில் வரலாறு படைப்போம் .

குறிப்பு: இத்துடன் தமிழ், அங்கில மற்றும் கன்னட மொழிகளில் உள்ள துண்டறிக்கையை இணைத்துள்ளேன்.
இணையதளங்கள், பத்திரிக்கை, செய்தி ஊடகங்களும் இச்செய்தியை மக்களுக்குத் தெரியப்படுத்த அன்புடன் வேண்டுகிறேன்

நன்றி
நிலவன்

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

"Probably would've wound up even worse. But I forgot, the LTTE has never ever intimidated or heaven forbid murdered any Tamil dissident in its entire existence."

You are trying to hijack the argument by bringing in LTTEs actions against dissidents.The point was: Did the Tamil prisoners stand chance of losing their life if they gave an answer not to the liking of GoSL? The answer is a big yes.I am not doubting the reporter.Again would the persons giving out Tamil casualties--ICRC, UN,HRW, AI,experts roped in by Times, UN quoted by Le Monde--be under risk from LTTE if they quoted less? The answer is a big no; Infact the 20000+fig came AFTER destruction of Tigers.So do not try to give misleading, unrelated answers.

"Actually what seems to be Zilch is your knowledge of Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sri Lanka in general. Based on your posts, I would be surprised if you could point out the South Asian region on a map.

Go to India and you will see that the Hindus have appropriated Buddha in their own temples and rituals. In one temple in Tamil Nadu they use "calm" Buddha literally as a counterweight for "angry" Durga. In another they openly and quite proudly celebrate the "defeat" of Buddhism by having an elephant tap a Buddha statue with its trunk.

So should I adopt STD logic and scream that the Hindus are genociding Buddhism????"

Again when cornered you try to wriggle out by giving a wrong turn to the debate.My point was: Are the Tamil Hindus getting a raw treatment from Sinhalese Buddhists because of being a Hindu? The answer, as illustrated by the account quoted, is a big yes.Also we read of Buddha statues built in Tamil areas( eg Trincomalee market square, and opp one big Hindu temple in T'malee) etc to spite Hindus.So all your yakking about Hindu and Buddhist pantheons means Zilch if people on the ground bombs/desecrates each others places of worship.In this respect I had quoted Sunni-Shia-Christian-Muslim-jews examples but you ignored it conveniently.

"Goofball, the Indian couple did not go to a Hindu temple. They visited something called a "devale" which is a Buddhist shrine to guardian deities, again in Sri Lanka appropriated from Hinduism. If they were in Kandy as they claim (I've never heard of a "Kandy Kathirgamar" temple; the shrine to Kathirgamar is in Kataragama not Kandy, and there is no sign saying that he's a servant of Buddha in Kataragama) then it was most likely a devale."

Ya. Now you are telling a Hindu, who visited a temple all the way from India because his father had also worshipped there in the past,and who has made it crystal clear that it was a temple---that it is not a temple--sitting in your chair.Wow.Even if it was a "devale" or whatever, my basis contention remains untouched.Or is it tradition to put boards identifying Hindu gods as servant of Buddha in "devales"?

"If you want to judge all Sinhalese (or Tamils for that matter) solely by the retards on the internet, don't let me stop you. Perhaps it would be equally fair to judge you as foolishly ignorant of Sri Lanka based on what I've seen you post here and elsewhere (I say "foolishly" because I don't know another way of describing someone who pretends to be an expert)."

Again you are trying to muddy waters by misquoting me as well as calling names.The person whose only real pastime is to call others stupid, foolish,or proclaiming "lessons" should not call others pretend experts.You have slowly exposed yourself as a crass and pretentious racist--I would call you a cowardly closet racist.Atleast your fellow posters in DW/DN are honest about their beliefs.

"Then why doesn't young Kumar live in Tamil Nadu, where he doesn't have to pass as a Sinhala??? He clearly indicated that he is able to travel to India. Use your thinking cap!"

Indeed a hundred thousand+ Kumars are living in very poor conditions in Tamil Nadu.Many lost their lives from your Navys bullets to reach there.That choice tells something about life in Sinhalese south, does it?

Dinusha said...

hey! you stateless morons! where's peelams next location? Toronto? lol! u guys are so pathetic!

Peter said...

03 June

Interview with Mr Pathmanathan:




http://www.tamilnaatham.com/audio/2009/jun/interviews/pathma_20090603.mp3


Full transcript:




http://www.puthinam.com/full.php?2b34OOo4b33q6DXe4d45Vo6ca0bc4AO24d3SSmA3e0dU0MtZce03f1eW0cc2mcYAde

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

peter...other than rhetoric, what does he say about status of LTTE/VP?

mahindan10 said...

KP appears to dropping some key demands (i.e "அபிலாசையை ஓரளவுக்கேனும்")?

மக்களுக்கான தீர்வு குறித்து ஏதாவது சிந்தனைகள் உள்ளதா?

எமது இனம் மானத்துடனும் கௌரவத்துடனும் வாழ்வதற்கு ஒரு தீர்வு அவசியம். இது குறித்து நாம் எமது பலதரப்பட்ட பிரிவினர்களுடன் கதைத்துக் கொண்டிருக்கின்றோம். எமது மக்களின் அரசியல் அபிலாசையை ஓரளவுக்கேனும் நிறைவேற்றக்கூடிய திட்டத்தை செயலாற்ற வேண்டியது இன்றைய காலத்தின் கட்டாயமாகும். விரைவில் இது குறித்த முழு விபரமும் வெளியிடப்படும்.

Peter said...

STD,

I think this says it all:

அனைத்துலக நாடுகளில் உள்ள தமிழ்மக்களிடம் நாங்கள் கேட்டுக்கொள்வது யாதெனில் - பாரிய சுமைகளை எல்லாம் எமது தோளில் மட்டும் சுமத்தாதீர்கள். ஒவ்வொரு தமிழ் மகனுக்கும் உரிய கடமை அது.

mahindan10 said...

[ Peter said...

STD,

I think this says it all:

அனைத்துலக நாடுகளில் உள்ள தமிழ்மக்களிடம் நாங்கள் கேட்டுக்கொள்வது யாதெனில் - பாரிய சுமைகளை எல்லாம் எமது தோளில் மட்டும் சுமத்தாதீர்கள். ஒவ்வொரு தமிழ் மகனுக்கும் உரிய கடமை அது. ]



among diaspora, we do not have douglas, karuna, pillayan types in any big numbers. all are united and we also have so many organizations (except for those banned by the west)!


On another note, USA is joining the UNHRC in JUne-09? With all the pictures taken during the May 1-20th period, lets see what they'll do!


btw, kp is trying to become friendly with india and putting the pak, chi, russ as the bad fellows for tamils!


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Sun Tzu's disciple said...

translate pl

Peter said...

KP said: எனினும் சீனா, ரஸ்யா, ஈரான், பாகிஸ்தான் போன்ற நாடுகளின் ஆசியுடன் இந்த நாடகத்தை சிறிலங்கா அரசாங்கம் ஆடி முடித்திருக்கிறது.

On the international stage, emphasizing that axis could yield positive results. With a large Diaspora and TN presence, it would probably make better sense to continue in the same direction.

STD,
I suspect that you can read Tamil.

Anyhow, since you've asked:

[அனைத்துலக நாடுகளில் உள்ள தமிழ்மக்களிடம் நாங்கள் கேட்டுக்கொள்வது யாதெனில் - பாரிய சுமைகளை எல்லாம் எமது தோளில் மட்டும் சுமத்தாதீர்கள். ஒவ்வொரு தமிழ் மகனுக்கும் உரிய கடமை அது.]

What we ask Tamils in other countries - Don't place all major responsibilities on our shoulders. That [pressuring the IC into action] is the duty of every Tamil.

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

peter,

I am familiar with alphabets of Indian(Tamil)script, but cannot read.You know where I live.Its a multicultural country where you are encouraged to learn other languages.I have said this before, I am neither Tamil,Sinhala, or Buddhist/Hindu/Christian/Muslim( ie not partaking in your conflict except as a fellow human).

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

My online security software pings me repeatedly on trying to open Puligal today, warning of Trojans etc trying to enter my system( same with Defencewire).I wont be surprised if PT team is reading my mails;) .You may read but dont do any mischief.I guess I better use some proxyservers to log in..

Peter said...

STD,

Ok! Anyone can be anyone on blogs. I shall simply assume you are who you say you are.

I've had a load of trouble with Puligal Blog. Initially I couldn't post comments here. FireFox and my normal computer settings still don't allow me to comment on this blog.

I got a tech savvy nephew to set-up Google Chrome with a permanent proxy connection, just to post comments on these blogs.

Speed isn't too bad for blogs, as all posts are text heavy. Only con, so far, has been Chrome's instance that I use American spelling.

bert said...

There is lot to learn for inteligent sinhaleese and tamils from this conflict.

1. One is greed ultimately gives rise to more misery.

2. Rage whether spontaneous or pre meditated whether against sinhala blood which is red and tamil blood which is also red has only shed blood and blood only....

3. They say the jackal is happy when there is a fight because they get their stomaches fed and desires met.

4. Tamils and sinhaleese except elara dutugamunu time did not clash with each other...i have not know any such progressive violence spaning all over 2500 years....

5. Last century violence is created by high level of expectations given to tamil community by English colonisers where sinhalese the majority was descriminated....

6. A tamil girl helps a sinhala soldier reach safety when ambushed.

7. Majority of sinhaleese sheltered tamils when short sighted mobs went against tamils. I do appologise from tamil community as a sinhaleese openly for that wrong acts committed due to spontaneous anger...however these have not happened for last 25 years in this land

8. LTTE drew out muslims tamils to create monoethinic place but south remained a place where multiracial area....LTTE become more racist is it for liberation of innoncent tamils...

9. How a tamil treat a sinhaleese or sinhaleese treat a tamil is based on mutual understanding of each others pain...

10. If one want to make it a business let it be else to further cultivate animosity and anger is not in the interest of good humans of tamil community and sinhala community.

11. Over two inserections in south many mother and father lost loved ones some say first time it was 40000 second time it was 60000

Again hate and un reasonability letting beast in humane come alive ultimately achieving nothing but more destruction...

Both sinhaleese and tamils please think....it is same blood...dont let it boil with hate it will only ensure both races evaporate into thin air while Jackal smile happily....

nevergiveup said...

Guys.. a little update on our leader. Unfortunately, he fell ill few days back. His kidney condition got little worse. But, have no fear, he is under the care of the best Norwegian health care proffessionals and expected to gain full recovery. There are many things happening behind the scene and the other leaders including KP drawing up plans for the next phase. I have to go now and will update you in few days. I have to restrict my communications because of the spies. These are dangerous times. But, we are all certain that we will emerge victorious. Never give up the hope.

Navindran said...

Its evident that the Sri Lankans still are lost because you come to an eelam blog to try to push your ideas. The sad part is you got to realise that there will never be peace.

Today very much like 500 years ago, the chinese have provided their military might to bring a lull in the ceaseless war. It will carry on. In 6 months time when things settled down and the LTTE rests itself we will see what will happen.

I think many people thought the war ended after world war one. Regardless of what Hitler was, he made the french surrender in the very carriage where the germans surrended in world war one.

Mahindha is still pushing the only thing which was sucessful for him, the war. The country will go into chaos again. Its the fate of their people. Unforunately the people of eelam are dragged into it.

Navindran said...

The second part is that there are many people who are beyond the reach of your white vans and summary executions. The eelam people like the jews will win back their homeland.

After the first JVP uprising and the second, Sri Lanka exported her problem to the middle east. today the problem is comming back. The eelam situation is similar as it has been exported to the west. It will come back and be damn sure about it.

Malin said...

Navindran please dont shit in the street, what happened to financial advice. whats newest situvation on the IMF loan?

Thoughtful Guy said...

hey Navindran....dnt u ever get tired of your pathetic, out of the context examples? Are u saying that the WWI and the Ealam war are simmilar in nature that what happened after WWI will happen in SL? :D Dude, get a life, after the WWI there was considerable flexibility for the Germans to ramp up their industries and re-arm their military as there were no Allied troops on the ground in Germany, the case is totally different in SL, and this is the exact reason why Mahinda will not give you a interim administration atleast for the next 10 years (cos then the misguided folk like you may try to rearm and go for a new war..NOPES, not going to happen).

Self rule is something that you need to earn, not by guerrilla war or killings but by taking part in the political process sincerely and contributing for the development of the country and specially in your areas (where u want self rule) Once that is done only will there be a valid call for self rule. As you claim to be a "investment banker" atleast try ti understand it by taking a corporate example, if a head of a division in a specific region tries to disrupt the head office and try to take ownership of the division by force, what will happen? He will be kicked out along with any loyals he may have..but if he develops the division which will benefit the head office(holding company) too, then he will be automatically entrusted with the responsibility of running the division as he sees fit (respect is not a right, it shoud be earned)

wijayapala said...

Out sider,

"wijayapala, I find your comments posted on this site both snide and condescending, and I am neither Tamil nor Sinhala. Taken on the whole I would go so far as to say you are a racist towards Tamils."

I agree that my comments have been snide and condescending to the Eelamoids, but I don't see where I have been racist towards Tamils. Could you please show me? Do you distinguish between Tamils and the smaller subset of Eelamoids?

wijayapala said...

Navindran,

"I think many people thought the war ended after world war one. Regardless of what Hitler was, he made the french surrender in the very carriage where the germans surrended in world war one."

Thanks for comparing the future of your movement to the Nazis.

You left out the part after the French surrender, where the Germans were utterly crushed by the Allies and tens of thousands of women were raped by the Soviets. Do you really want this to happen to the Tamils???

ashokkumar2103 said...

Swiss Murasam:

(I am just posting this story as it is being circulated in Tamilnadu and now in Swiss Murasam too...)

தமிழீழ தேசிய தலைவர் மேதகு வேலுப்பிள்ளை பிரபாகரனும் அவரது வீரப் புதல்வாரன சார்ள்ஸ் அன்டனியும் அமெரிக்காவின் நேச நாடு ஒன்றில் உலக அரசியல் ஜாம்பவான் ஒருவரின் பாதுகாப்புக்கு மத்தியில் நலமாக இருப்பதாக சிங்கள அரசுக்கு அதிர்ச்சிகரமான தகவல் வெளியாகியுள்ளது.




தேசிய தலைவர் 27-112009 மாவீரர் தினத்தன்று தனது உறுதிப்படுத்தலை செய்வதற்காக தொலைக்காட்சியில் தோன்றி மாவீரர் தின உரை நிகழ்த்துவார் என தெரிவிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது.




இது தொடர்பில் மேலும் தெரிவிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளதாவது,



1986ஆம் ஆண்டு சென்னை பெசன் நகரில் தேசிய தலைவர் அவர்கள் திருமணம் முடித்த புதிதில் தமது வாழ்க்கையை ஆரம்பித்தார்.அவரது வீட்டுக்கு அருகில் தேசிய தலைவரின் நெருங்கிய உறவினர் ஒருவரும் பிறந்தார்.



இந்த நிலையில் தேசிய தலைவரின் மனைவி மதிவதனிக்கும் அவரது உறவுக்கார பெண்ணுக்கும் ஒரே நேரத்தில் இரு ஆண் குழந்தைகள் பிறந்துள்ளன.



இதன்போது இருவருக்கும் சார்ள்ஸ் அன்டனியின் பெயர் சூட்டப்பட்டதுடன் இது தொடர்பில் தகவல்களை வெளியில் கசிய விடுவதில்லையெனவும் தீர்மானித்தனர்.



இவர்கள் ஒன்றாகவே ஒரு வீட்டில் வளர்க்கப்பட்டதுடன் இருவரும் இஸ்ரேலுக்கு அனுப்பப்பட்டு தாக்குதல் உத்திகள் கற்பிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது.



இதனைத்தொடர்ந்து தேசிய தலைவரின் மகன் வெளிநாடு ஒன்றுக்கு பட்டப்படிப்புக்காக சென்றபோதிலும் தனது உறவினரின் மகனான சார்ள்ஸ் அன்டனியை தன்னுடன் வைத்துக்கொண்டார்.



இந்த நிலையில் தேசிய தலைவருடன் இருந்த சார்ள்ஸ் அன்டனி விமானப்பயிற்சி உட்பட பல போர்ப்பயிற்சிகளை பெற்றிருந்த காரணத்தினால் கொழும்பில் இருமுறை விமானத்தில் சென்று தாக்குதல் நடத்திவிட்டு வெற்றிகரமாக திரும்பிவந்துள்ளார்.



இந்த சார்ள்ஸ் அன்டனியோ வன்னியில் சிங்கள படையினருடன் இடம்பெற்ற மோதலில் வீரச்சாவை தழுவிக்கொண்டதாக நம்பகரமான தகவல்கள் தெரிவித்துள்ளன.



இதுவரை வெளியுலகுக்கு தெரியாதவாறு வளர்க்கப்பட்டுள்ள தேசிய தலைவரின் வாரிசு எதிர்வரும் கார்த்திகை 27ஆம் திகதி தேசிய தலைவரினால் புதிய தலைமைத்துவமாக அறிவிக்கப்படவுள்ளதாகவும் தெரிவிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது.



தனக்கு வயதாகிச்செல்வதால் தமது நடவடிக்கைகள் தொடர்பில் புதிய தலைமைத்துவ தேவை தேசிய தலைவர் உணர்ந்துள்ளதாகவும் தெரிவிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது.



இலங்கை அரசு தமிழீழ விடுதலைப்புலிகளை அழித்துவிட்டதாக தெரிவித்துவரும் நிலையில் தமிழீழ தேசிய தலைவரின் கட்டளைக்காக 20000க்கும் மேற்பட்ட போராளிகள் ஆசேத்துடன் காத்திருப்பதாகவும் தெரிவிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது.



கார்த்திகை 27ஆம் திகதியை உலக நாடுகள் பெரும் எதிர்பார்ப்புடன் உள்ள நிலையில் சிங்கள அரசின் பொய்முகம் கிழித்தெறியப்படும் நிலையும் ஏற்படும்.

out_sider said...

wijayapala

There is no need for me to show you. Your own words condemn you.

"Eelamoids"
"Eelamoids would get the impression that they are total morons. That would be true, but isn't it better to spare their emotions?"
"I just want to see whether you have an intelligent answer."
"the LTTE cowards are separated from the civilians."
"We know, Badri. That is why we feel somewhat less guilty about how we have treated people like you."
"Why are you leaving?? You're making a hell of a lot more sense than some of Peter's wet dreams about diaspora-led war crimes tribunals."

There are plenty more to be found. By insulting the individuals here and making these statements you entice a reaction from a single group of people. That is the definition of a racist.

out_sider said...

wijayapala said

"Do you distinguish between Tamils and the smaller subset of Eelamoids?"

No, I do not. They may have a dream of a Tamil nation but they are still Tamils.

Indian said...

ashok,
you had me really in splits.Man you are soo soo funny.

So,now "new" Charles Antony will come and sing Thiruvengadam Vellupillai Prabhakaran's குடும்ப ‌பாட்டு and establish he is the real son.

Wait,let me guess the குடும்ப ‌பாட்டு too.
It is
அன்பு ம‌லர்க‌ளே,நம்பி இருங்க‌ளே
நாளை ந‌ம‌தே,நாளை ந‌ம‌தே(chorus repeat)

Thank you Ashok,for making my day.

ashokkumar2103 said...

Jeyam,

I just quoted it. It has been published in magazines like 'Netri Kann' too. I just wanted to share what was going around. That's why I mentioned in the beginning itself as 'story'. Even I have not taken it seriously.

Many such 'pastings' I have done just to show the happenings.

Anyway glad that you were entertained.

ashokkumar2103 said...

It is not that somebody is immortal. Any human being is bound to die and a person who has always flirted with death every second could have died any time.

Here we are not able to accept it because the way it has been narrated as happened. It does not sound realistic or logical.

We can say that Vaiko, Nedumaran, Ramadoss, Nallakannu, Seeman, Thirumavalavan, Karunanidhi (who refused to accept it as not confirmed), Arivazhagan (not heard of him)and Tamilnet editors as just not acknowledging the reality.

But it is more than just a question of one life.

Whether Tamil's freedom struggle has died with this one so called one incident?

Does the organization spearheading it has disappeared overnight?

Velavan Master said...

Where is Professor Navindran? I need some advice on the forex market. Rupee is at 114 per dollar.. buy or sell?? Where is Professor Navindran when you need him?!?

Velavan Master said...

Mister Ashokkumar..

[Whether Tamil's freedom struggle has died with this one so called one incident?]

Try to use your brain for a change.. what kind of a freedom struggle involves blindly following some ruthless terrorists who destroyed a generation of young Tamils, killed innocent people of all races, and introduced drug smuggling and other criminal activities to the Tamil diaspora?

I am not sure if you are sincere, but if you are, please know that Tamils live in freedom all over the world, including Sri Lanka. And it will only get better for them now that the terrorist scum have been eliminated.

m.q.k said...

http://worldsikhnews.com/3%20June%202009/Investigating%20War%20Crimes%20in%20Sri%20Lanka%20Illusion%20and%20Reality.htm

Investigating War Crimes in Sri Lanka Illusion and Reality

Lalith Kuruwita said...

Professor Navindran has been appointed as the new Finance Minister for the Dissapura by KP. There is a huge amount of money still left.

Bhairav said...

Why they are still keeping those 3 doctors who worked in the war zone?

They do not even spare doctors.

m.q.k said...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8083505.stm

Sri Lanka doctors 'to be tried'