

In the photo above, why is his chest blurred out? There is no sign of a bullet wound, but you can see a rash or burn around his neck and the blurred area, plus his skin is peeling off on many places.










Why did the Sri Lankan government blur out the faces in the top row, but not the faces below:
What are they trying to hide by blurring out the faces? There are no signs of bullet wounds there, and they obviously aren't hiding their identity, because other faces are being shown. It is possible they are trying to cover up signs of peeling and burnt skin, which would be most visible on the exposed faces.
What are they trying to hide by blurring out the faces? There are no signs of bullet wounds there, and they obviously aren't hiding their identity, because other faces are being shown. It is possible they are trying to cover up signs of peeling and burnt skin, which would be most visible on the exposed faces.
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«Oldest ‹Older 1001 – 1200 of 2454 Newer› Newest»Badri,
Note how there aren't any UAV footages of "LTTE firing shells from NFZ" or video footages of "LTTE shooting at civilians".
If they were confident of what people would say or do, they would allow international media, aid agencies and UN into the area.
Bhairav,
Good to see the photos. I think our media outlets are somewhat overwhelmed by the number and scale of Diaspora protests. Not even live coverage of London protest, which the police says is attended by 200k+
"The expense of filtering a single Tamil suicide bomber in India is likely to be a difficult task. Thus, India's war on LTTE is unlikely to be without "consequences"."
As it turns out, India has not embarked on a war on the LTTE, despite whatever rubbish your Eelamoid sites claim. The LTTE supporters in TN have limited themselves to self-immolation, producing a charred appearance as the LTTE reinforcements that Badri had posted here.
"As for "attacking SLMM monitors at sea"; a net-event I missed?"
Nope- you're just a clueless Eelamoid with a characteristic short memory.
Straight from Tamilnet:
SLMM says LTTE violated CFA
"The LTTE has violated article 1.2 of the Ceasefire Agreement (CFA) which states “neither party shall engage in any offensive military operation," BBC Sinhala service quoted Sri Lanka Monitoring Mission (SLMM) spokeswoman Helen Maria Olafdottir as saying, referring to a recent incident where the Liberation Tigers were accused of firing a Sri Lanka Navy (SLN) patrol boat with an SLMM member on board in Trincomalee Bay off Upparu on 5 April 2005."
Peter, I agree. But why is the IC keep telling LTTE to free civilians?
AK,
They have not entered the civilian area, but are firing RPG and directing MG fire at civilians in Ampalavanpokkanai. .
AK,
What else would/should IC do? Will it ask Sri Lanka to allow media, aid groups or UN into the zone? Will it ask for referendum in the disputed regions?
"were accused of firing a Sri Lanka Navy (SLN) patrol boat"
By your measure, LTTE attacking Vavuniya camp last year where two Indians were injured was an attack on India?
wijayapala, so its the 53 and 55 not 58 Div that was supposed to have been doing the whacking , anyway thank you for the update :))
["Stones were also pelted at the building of HPO near the Thamukkam grounds. The processionists held portraits of LTTE leader Prabhakaran and placards carrying message ''Eelam Vellum''."]
After years, people are starting to carry pictures of Prabhakaran openly in India. Things could snow ball and become big.
I'm actually confused. When I watch videos of the NFZ I see people walking along the perimeter. This does not fit into the notion of SLA firing into the NFZ.
Sorry guys I'm saying this at the risk of been labeled a government stooge. But I need to know the truth.
Peter,
Uncertainity in Bangalore,hahaha,well we'll cross the river when we come to it.Terrorism is not cause for worry in India alone,its a global phenomenon and India will face it.
Roy,
You want to know the ground situation - the ground situation is Mr.Vaiko had to eat humble pie\shit and give explanations within 24 hours after making his "BLOODBATH" speech.I dont think I need to explain more.
Indian,
"Not just 26/11,but we have been facing insurgency since Independence for the last 60 years.Its inevitable."
Don't pay too much attention to Peter's hot air- there won't be any terrorist attacks by Tamils on Indian soil. After we mop up what's left of the LTTE and the Tamil civilians are free, TN politics will return to business as usual- Cauvery river, reservations, etc.
AK,
The video released by DefenceLK is surely not going to show footage of people getting shot and fleeing.
"saying this at the risk of been labeled a government stooge" Not because of the nature of contents, but because of the lack of logical validation.
I believe the flash point in Tamil Nadu will be if the police finally shoot a protester. They have been threatening it for a long time, but the protesters have always backed down.
At some point the protesters will not back down, and then it will be up to the police to choose to fire on them. Once that happens violence will break out and people will start targeting the government in severe ways. There just needs to be a flash point to turn the state upside down. Something big like the death of Prabhakaran would definitely start it, but that is something we all hope will never happen.
"Indian",
"hahaha" was what some said at the prospects of IPKF having to wage war against the LTTE for years. Ironically, India is still fighting LTTE in semi-conventional war.
Bhadri,
//After years, people are starting to carry pictures of Prabhakaran openly in India. Things could snow ball and become big//
Not really.We have seen then in so much rallies conducted by PMK\MDMK and ones organized by Pazha.Nedumaran and his co even before.
I must say that Pro Tiger groups are trying very hard to convert the sympathy for innocent people caught in warzone,into sympathy for the Tiger's.But they have failed miserably
NOTE: AK IS A SINHALA TRYING TO PRETEND...
......as afterthought to my above post,I do sorely miss JJ as the CM.
Not some, almost all.
I HAVE NOTICED AK FOR SOME TIME..TRYING TO PRETEND TO BE INNOCENT..BUT THE STUFF HE POINTS OUT IS PRO-GOVERMENT PROPAGANDA...
Peter,
//"hahaha" was what some said at the prospects of IPKF having to wage war against the LTTE for years//
IPKF fiasco was a result of a lot of factors.But Tiger's threatening India is more of a dream.Hypoethically speaking,even if the Tiger's manage to launch something against India,India will face it.
Sorry Peter, it may not be logical to you but its something which keeps troubling me. I agree that the videos are what the GOSL releases, but what troubles me is the 'normalcy' which it depicts in the NFZ. If I was in the NFZ and the SLA was firing rockets you will not catch me on GOSL propaganda videos or any other videos venturing into the borders.
m.g.k,
He asks classic banda questions.
Like, why doesn't DefenceLK publish videos of army attacking civilians?
Peter....HAHAHAHAHAA...whatever handle they come up with...cant change the banda'ness'...easy to identify them...
banda = stupidity..
m.g.k I knew somebody would be able to detect it sooner or later
Peter,I posted a link to rediff article which was made in 2000.I dont know if you read it.If you find time,have a look.
It details the reasons why the IPKF operation turned into a fiasco.
Not just IPKF,but any military operation launched without the objectives very clearly laid out and without the complete political backing of the government is set to endup as a disaster.
India learnt it from 1987 - 1990.
AK,
People are living there. They need to leave bunker and go about their daily life as well. When shells rain they run to bunkers. Some get caught up and die. These are make-shift bunkers that get flooded din rain. They are not air-raid shelters of the kinds found in West, where people could spend days without leaving.
Tamils who lived in Jaffna in '90-'95 and Vanni thereafter are fully aware of how 'normal' life could persist throughout shelling and air raids.
Where did I ask such a question? All I said was in propaganda videos I see 'normalcy' and that's not what I expect to see even in propaganda videos
Indian,
Hindsight is a benefit beyond all measures.
If you are old enough to remember'87, VP published a public appeal in Tamil newspapers asking India to release LTTE cadres to avoid direct confrontation. Response to that was "hahaha".
Roy,
You got it wrong.Its not "Tamils living in India" but its "INDIANS LIVING IN TAMILNADU & SPEAKING TAMIL"
Now I perfectly understand why you have landed yourself in such a big soup
Peter...
GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!!
Seeman takes a plunge
April 11, 2009
Nearly 170 directors of the film industry today gathered at the Andhra House and took some very important decisions regarding the continuation of protests against the atrocities against Tamils in Sri Lanka. The meeting headed by Bharathiraja decided that they would make director Seeman contest the upcoming Lok Sabha elections. He would be standing against any of the Congress’s high profile candidates such as P. Chidambaram. According to the directors, the outcome of the elections would be
a good barometer of the amount of support they had from amongst the public in the protests that they were carrying out. If Seeman emerged victorious, the film industry would continue its protests with renewed vigor. If on the other hand, the director lost in the pools, it would be taken as a lack of backing from among the public and the directors would not take out any further protests. The constituency where Seeman will file his nomination will be announced
HAVE U HEARD OF HIS SPEECH...WOW..CONGRESS ARE AFRAID OF HIS SPEECH...
Tamileelam flags in London protest
http://tinyurl.com/d5cl33
Indian , India is using strong arm tactic to suppress freedom of speech thru its draconian sedition law. This is nothing for you to be proud off . Its pure abuse of power !
Peter,
I remember that and the article I mentioned about in Rediff,explains clearly what happened.
I for one,am a firm believer that IPKF had no business in Srilankan soil.Also if there was a overwhelming need to send it,then it should have been a proper operation - you dont send your army to act between 2 parties,both viewing you with suspicion and then set up its Command center in Pune far far away.Right from the time it was conceptualized,I really really hate JN Dixit for that sole reason,it was meant to end in disaster,which it did
Peter,
Yes, the protest was good, young voices echoed the sky everywhere. Whatever we do it won't give any significant breakthrough since so called biggest democracy runs its proxy war which is too much to overcome for IC at this point. It won't be too long before IC realize its mistake and accept Tamils.
Average Tamil is really getting furious after hearing 100s of Tamils getting killed by SLA everyday that will make them to force some drastic decisions- bloodbath spreads to whole island won't be ignored at this point. I still hold my earlier view that we shouldn't stoop to the level of barbaric SLA by going after Sinhala civilians since it may dent our real purpose. One thing i know that we will prevail.
Chennai (PTI): Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M Karunanidhi on Saturday said allegations like India helping Colombo in its war against LTTE and the DMK doing little to mitigate the sufferings of the Lankan Tamils were being made by a few "narrow-minded" parties out of political motivation
THIS POWER HUNGER GUY NEVBR LEARNS...
m.q.k
That's brilliant news. Seeman is a legendary Tamilan. He must stand against Sonia-Congress ass licker.
that is a great news , he can deliver thundering speech to the audience - my advance congratulation to Seeman the great TAMILZHAN.
m.g.k
Congress and the Indians are a bunch of cowards, you saw how the reacted to Mumbai blast :))). TAking on the Indian is easy and China know that. You see Kashmiri and Manipuri women hitting Indian soldiers who are only good for raping ..
These cowards had Seeman imprisoned .. I personnal feel Seeman should work "under ground" rather than risk being jailed ...
Peter and others....
there is a complete set of speeches by seeman at utube..please listen to it...if he was incharge on india..imagine what would happen..
A few weeks ago Tamils in London wouldn't have dared to carry Tamileelam flag
http://tinyurl.com/d5cl33
Sri Lanka!! Stop The WAR
Sri Lanka!! Stop Killing Civilians
Save those 330K innocent people.
Give us Justice for Tears
Roy Muller...
IF ONLY RAJINI COULD ENTER POLITICS...
THEN WE DONT NEED ANY OTHER PARTY..HE ALONE CAN CAPTURE ALL OF THE VOTES!!!!
["I agree that the videos are what the GOSL releases, but what troubles me is the 'normalcy' which it depicts in the NFZ. If I was in the NFZ and the SLA was firing rockets you will not catch me on GOSL propaganda videos or any other videos venturing into the borders."]
We have to understand the scale of things. It is true there are 50 to 100 people being killed every day in the no fire zone, but if there are 200,000 civilians, that means basically its like a spec of sand on the beach. 199,950 people will be going about their business as usual.
It's not that there are bombs everywhere. If that was the case the number of dead would be thousands every day. There are enough bombs to kill 100 people, that's the daily limit the Sri Lankan army has been allowed to carry on with.
@ Roy Muller
Seeman always challenged to be arrested. He spoke his mind; he spoke for his people.
Not only on Eelam Tamils issue, Seeman is passionate about defeating the evils of caste etc., that continue to harm our people the world over.
["Mr.Vaiko had to eat humble pie and give explanations within 24 hours."]
Do you think he didn't realize that by saying this he would get millions of dollars of free publicity on the television?
Badri,
Looks like Sinhalese have flaunted the limit on Wed and Thurs by killed 300 a day. But I do agree with you on that average per day appears to be about 100.
["IF ONLY RAJINI COULD ENTER POLITICS..."]
Well, that's what makes me angry about a lot of these so called "super-stars". They single handedly have the power to make things happen in Tamil Nadu, but they didn't use their power to help the Eelam Tamils. To me that's as bad as going against them.
When you have the power (like Karunanidhi or Rajanikanth) but you sit silently ignoring the problem, then you are guilty of the same crime.
Lets face it. Obviously civilians are getting killed and the only logical explanation is the SLA attacks the NFZ.
I wont be the one to deny the fact civilians are essential for LTTE's survival at this moment and that the civilians are the only reason which prevents the NFZ from being overrun/aerial bombed/carpet bombed.
Sinhala 'patriots' are blind to the possibility that SLA may be shelling the NFZ killing/injuring many innocents.
Tamils are blind to the possibility that LTTE need civilians for their own protection and hence may be preventing them from leaving to GOSL camps
Yes, I agree "Seeman" is real Tamilian.
Peter..
BRITS GOT FED UP OF TAKING AWAY THE FLAGS...
IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME TO REMOVE ALL THE FLAGS..HEHHE
AK,
Tamils are blind to GoSL blocking independent observers from exposing what the LTTE is doing.
Guys, Theepan death is confirmed.
A India , what makes you think that the present Indian policy on Sri Lanka is not flawed, as IPKF debacle ?
I am sure back then your policy makers, out of their short sightedness didnt expect it to be a disaster.
AK..IS JUST ANOTHER SINHALA SO CALLED MODERATE SINHALA...TO HIM TAMIL CIVILLIAN ARE PEOPLE OF UNITED SRI LANKA..AND THE ARMY WANNA RESCUE THEM.. :)
Again it's a mistake to be civil and orderly with these protests. 200,000 law abiding protesters will not even get in the news, but 3,000 protesters that block traffic will get in the news.
We have to remember the average westerner doesn't even know what you are protesting and doesn't care. So don't think you can convince them by being polite. You need to get the government's attention, that's all. And to do that you need to disrupt things, even be arrested.
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Bhairav said...
Guys, Theepan death is confirmed.}
ARE U SURE!!!!
m.q.k
That is what we can achieve together. If one Tamil or even 100 Tamils carried Tamileelam flag, police would have confiscated the flags and arrested the people.
But when that many people get on the street carrying the flag, police simply accept it as people's wish.
badri...
As we discussed before...it will make it to the news only when their daily activities gets distrupted..
Badri,
I don't think today's Tamil protest in London is aimed at ordinary Britons.
m.g.k
Rajni is Marathi who is pro kannadiga. Dont expect him to speak up for Tamils.
{badri said..
You need to get the government's attention, that's all. And to do that you need to disrupt things, even be arrested.
}
Peter...pls pass the message..they need to become innovative like the previous brigde protest..
Guys, these days Sinhalese are flooding in numbers into Canada and other western countries by giving fake claims such as by giving houses to Tamils for rental put them in real danger etc. GoSL is helping these Sinhalese to move out to these foreign countries.
AK,
Tigers invite the IC, UN and journalists to Mullai, while the GOSL refuses anyone.
Simply, people prefer bombs on head than torture and rape by SLA.
m.g.k,
Today's protest is not to get into news. It is to show to the IC that the more Tamils are killed, more determined and united Tamils become behind LTTE. The message will reach the intended audience.
You can watch live
http://www.tubetamil.com/view_video.php?viewkey=71a6f35d61a82415468d
Some technical difficulties, so you may not get live feed all the time.
The commentary(in Tamil) gives some indication of the purpose of the protest.
m.g.k,
Yes, from the reliable sources, i can confirm his death.
LONG LIVE SEEMAN..... now ..the thamilaaz have a new hero (praba is old news eh?)...may Seemen increase the duration of your refugee visas...
:D
Why aren't the international aid agency members in the camps reporting about the rapes and torture of the civilians?
Anyways I'm not interested in this argument.
Most people in this blog (including its author) are blinded either by government propaganda or LTTE propaganda.
I'm signing off.
AK,
"Aid agencies are allowed to visit the camps near Vavuniya, but can not monitor what happens in them, register who is inside them or how many disappear from them."
AK,
If they report, they will be chased out. The aid agencies prefer providing some help than nothing. And they have also to look out their business.
I didn't come to this blog to start an argument with either government stooges or LTTE loyalists. I just came here to check if the rumors of SLA entering into 'NFZ' is true. My question has been answered
SLA buildup poses severe threat to civilian security within 'safety zone'
Red Cross knew all atrocities of Hitler on Jews. Without denouncing these atrocities, Red cross was able to get many Jews out of Germany.
badri, i do not agree with the disrupting of the public as it has an adverse effect, an example is here in ottawa, the first day we blocked traffic and it had a bad effect as people were just annoyed and didnt even want to know what the protest was about and the government didnt respond, after we decided to let traffic pass the media started to change and started supporting our protest and it went from healines saying "tamils block downtown traffic" to "tamils protest against genocide"....this was a huge shift....i also had the same line of thinking as u when the protest first started but after reading the media on the first two days i realized that we needed to take a different approach as the disruptions were taking away from the cause what we stand for.
Thiru,
I think it has to be balanced.
There was a time when our "peaceful" protests were taken fro granted.
Now we have shown that we can be disruptive, but are being "peaceful" by choice. Even BBC acknowledged that closing Westminster Bridge was a "desperate" act by otherwise peaceful protesters who wanted media to cover the plight of Tamils.
I am not sure on "Bhadri" though.Someone here suspected that I was a NorthIndian as I used "h".Honestly speaking I thought it was the other way round.NorthIndians have Badrinath\Kedarnath.You get my point?South Indian's used to have that "h' for all.Like say,when I was working in Maharashtra for 5 years,my colleagues used to tease me for writing\saying "Maruthi" car.Its actualy Maruti.So I still dont understand this "Bhadri" "Badri" business
Indian, I was speaking in jest, but what you've said is pretty much spot on, down to the 'Maruthi'. Peter, dunno what you were about there.
I'm North Indian, boys and girls.
Badri, that statement about Prabhakaran fighting elections in TN - was that really you?
It's amusing to have fakes, but not for the guy who runs the damn site. That can get annoying fast.
Badri's profile is on the Jan 2009 month/year right?
[Indian said...
//Sinhalese under Chinese influence, could be buffered by Tamileelam in the north-east. India would lose a little//
Thats a double edged sword.
On one hand India would have had to counter a bullish China right at its backyard.
Secondly they would have trouble in TN as well,if not by much but still a trouble. ...]
This Indian does not understand things correctly! China has already got a good spot in Sri Lanka. It is called Hambanthoda harbour. Chinese will have a lot of facilities for them. Though it is deep south, it is definitely in the backyard of india.
Strangely, India competes with countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, etc. The reason may be it cannot challenge its other neighbours. By competing against Nepal, now communists of the Nepal have also aligned with Chinese communists. So, INDIAN, your argument that India has enemies on the east and west is wrong. It has already got China on the north (Nepal) and South (Hambanthoda).
This is where Peter is trying to amke some sense. When the Tamils are annihilated, then there is no reason for Sri Lanka to bother with India. What can it do to Sri Lanka when Sri Lanka is well supported by a richer and militarily stronger China? India has not able to recover its land lost to China some 30 years ago. In this situation, India will be a sitting duck watching the friendship between SL & China.
When you place an Eelam in-between, Sri Lanka can be moderated easily.
It is utterly stupid to say "if there is an eelam for tamils, Tamils in TN will also ask for a separate country". This is utter non-sense obviously becoz whether TN tamils ask for a separate country or not depends just on how they're treated by the central government in India. Compare SL Tails & TN Tamils:
1. In SL, Singhala only was introduced in 1956. When Tails protested aganist, Tails received only violent response all the way to 2009.
In the 1960s, Central wanted to push Hindi in TN. Tamils protested. Central respected the feelings of TN Tamils ad gave up the Hindi drive. To date, TN is the only South State with the lowest hindi speaking popln.
2 Kashmir problem is on-going for 40-50 years. Are all Muslims in India viewed as a potential terrorist? Is India bombing, shelling Kashmir? Is Kashmir colonised by hindi/hindu popln over the last 50-60 years?
If you now look at SL, all the above and more are happening to the Tamils
Now, do you understand why the TAmils in SL is asking for a separate country while the Tamils in TN will never ask for a separate country?
...
["Badri, that statement about Prabhakaran fighting elections in TN - was that really you?"]
Yes, it's the real Badri. But by contesting elections I meant not personally. Let there be an LTTE party, provided the ban ever gets lifted. Let them establish real roots in Tamil Nadu and become visible. It can't be done right now, but in the future it can happen.
Just look at Thirumavalavan. He has like 1 seat, the tiniest of all the parties. But if he really wants to disrupt things, he can close down the state with riots, burning buses, etc. Now imagine if the LTTE had a political party with a large percent of popular support (say 10 to 20% of the population). They could paralyze the state and even the country. Thirumavalavan was kind of a coward, and he canceled his protests as soon as the government threatened to shoot protesters. But an LTTE party would continue protesting, increasing every time force was used against it. An LTTE party should run on only one platform, and that is independent Tamil Eelam at any cost.
["I just came here to check if the rumors of SLA entering into 'NFZ' is true. My question has been answered"]
As of now they have not entered the NFZ. That road mentioned is within sniper view from the army positions just across the lagoon. They are just a few hundred meters distant, but still on the other side of the lagoon. There is very little stopping them from crossing the lagoon and entering the no fire zone, so it's just a matter of time before they start. They need to get signals from other countries before they move in.
well done Badri...even thru an election u want to promote "paralyzing the state and even the country"...bravo bravo.... this is the real difference between the intelligent tamils and you guys.... they adopt and help build nations..while all you dream of doing is paralyzing and disrupting nations...
pathetic
Unfortunately government's listen only out of fear. They will never do something because it is morally right, or because they are interested in honestly helping people. When dealing with corrupt governments you need to resort to fear to control them.
Hey Bhairav,
"Guys, Theepan death is confirmed."
Why are you making such traitorous statements?? Peter will soon be getting back to us that his nephew's grandfather just had tea with Theepan and that everything is fine. Don't fall for Sinhala propaganda.
Badri,
I don't much like the idea; I also think that guys like Vaiko & Co provide more tamasha in the circus carnival that is Indian politics. But hey, if Indian citizens want to launch a party in India that calls for an independant Tamil Eeelam, I will defend to the death their right to do it. And of course oppose them. :)
Dear INDIAN,
below is an analysis on the geo-political games and how India has been a looser always!
Game between the USA-China-India
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In this game, India will definitely be a looser. China has already got a spot in the down South – Hambanthoda. SL never likes India. In 1972, when Indian soldiers were fighting the JVP in SL, SL government allowed Pakistan to fly to Bangladesh to fight Indian soldiers in Bangladesh via Colombo airport when Colombo airport itself was then protected by the Indian soldiers! Even recently, there were reports that Indian cricketers were stoned several times in Sri Lanka during their tour in Feb-2009. This is what Mr. Wimal Weerawansa (who is a puppet of the ‘Rajapakse Pte Ltd’) said about the Indian medical team arrived in Sri Lanka recently: “We are not concerned about the medical team sent by the Indians but who knows whether they are actual doctors or persons attached to RAW (Research and Analysts Wing), attached to the Indian Intelligence Unit, who were known to have trained the LTTE in the inception.” (http://www.dailymirror.lk/DM_BLOG/Sections/frmNewsDetailView.aspx?ARTID=42881, Mar-09). It appears that the ‘Rajapakse Terror Unlimited’ has even encouraged doctors to protest against the Indian medical team because no Sri Lankan will protest without the full support of the ‘Rajapakse Terror Unlimited’ (“Lankan doctors threaten strike”, http://www.expressbuzz.com). Even though India has whole-heartedly supported Sri Lanka’s genocidal war on Tamils, the actions and statements show clearly how India is viewed in Sri Lanka. When India canceled its tour of Pakistan after the Mumbai attack, Sri Lanka was happy to tour Pakistan and got fired at (by RAW?) Therefore, after the Tamils are wiped out of Sri Lanka, India will have absolutely no say in Sri Lanka. Over the next few months, all India’s investments in Sri Lanka will also have to be written off as the conditions will be made impossible to operate in SL any further!
Thus, after giving a spot to China in Hambanthoda, Sri Lankan government will be more willing to give away bases to the USA (http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20090313_09 “Sri Lanka on verge of defeating terrorism - Hillary Clinton tells President Rajapaksa”. “…Speaking on current developments, Mrs. Clinton appreciated the assurances given by Secretary Defence that civilians would not be subjected to any attacks by the military, stating the US looked forward to working with Sri Lanka once the current conflict ends. …”) than to India. This will happen when the Tamils are completely decimated and the Singhalas do not feel threatened by the Tamils, but feel only threatened by their big brother neighbor India. To counter the threat by India, SL will be friendly with the USA, China & Pakistan. Over the last 60 years, India has miserably failed to please Sri Lanka even by giving away Katchatheevu island, taking back several hundred thousands of Tamils under the 1972-Shastri-Srima accord and by whole-heartedly supporting the genocidal war on Tamils! Therefore, now it is apparent that in order to protect India’s interests, India should support the Tamils and work closely with them. A two-state solution will provide a hold for India at least over one third of the territory as opposed to Singhala only Sri Lanka with no say at all for India.
CFRB1010 THE JOHN MOORE SHOW TORONTO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO8m5AWFJI4
This guy David sounds like a Sri Lankan government paid goon based on his deliberate one sided argument. Thank you John Moore for putting things in perspective!
Mahindan, forgot to mention - you make some excellent points. I do not purport to speak for Indian; my own opinion is that your arguments, however valid logically, do not conform to the geopolitical reality today. India is under assault from terrorist organizations from Pakistan, our diplomatic worldview is partially based on a global need for combating terrorism. How then, do we support a declared terrorist organization? The reality has changed, we are living in a different world.
Indian spoke quite eloquently of Rajiv Gandhi's murder; yeah that was a shock. I detest the Gandhi family, personally. But man, killing Rajiv was the biggest mistake the LTTE ever made. The LTTE lost a lot of sympathy; I suspect the shock seeped deep into the Indian psyche.
I also want to differentiate between combating Tamils and combating the LTTE. I think that even in the most chauvinist Indian mind the question of combating Tamils does not exist. Not a bit, not now, not in the past, not, IMO, ever.
Some Tamils would say that LTTE = Tamils. I would disagree. And that is where the debate comes in, I guess.
[Indian said...
Peter,
He was killed during election campaigning.Tiger's observed he would return back to power and meddle again in Lanka and eliminated him,in true Tiger functioning - eliminate the threat as soon as you sense it.
About the consequences,I still dont understand how they could target India.The free reign they enjoyed in India is no longer available to them - remember June 19.They could do anything anywhere as they felt,such was the situation.
The situation in TN is not conducive as of now.Infact the GoSL also has a say in how the future will pan out.This war is nearing its logistical end very soon and how the GoSL handles the NorthEast will tell us what the future has in store for us.
I can cite you Punjab in India as an example.The Khalistan movement was crushed ruthlessly and people won over.
I need your thoughts on this.I think the Tiger's are in the current situation as they were a tad over ambitious.For example at a time when the world had awakened to the dangers of extremism\terrorism,dont you think it was a mistake to flaunt the newly aquired air power etc.It did set alarm bells ringing,not only in the region,but across the globe.What do you think? ...]
I again disagree with this INDIAN:
1. Regarding Rajiv's incident, people still ask a lot of questions like 1) why the security was very poor to Rajiv on that day, 2) Why there was not even a single other Congress state/centre leader gonig with Rajiv on that day. If you listen to KK-of-DMK, he has already said that he'd join Sonia on every rally godmother will appear in India. Subramanian Swamy always raise several questions including the above 2.
Reg. LTTE becoming just a terrorist organization (I'm totally against this imagination in the 1st place), INDIAN thinks that LTTE cannot carry out terrorist attacks without TN support. My understanding is that the Mumbai attack was done with 0% support from any Inidan individual/state? Bin Laden struck in the USA without any US state supporting him?
Punjab example is wrong. Punjab fighting/rebellion was created by Indira Gandhi so that she can control local political parties. In other words, there was no natural grievance for Punjab due to India. The problem was once the group had enough arms given by Indira G, they refused to listen to Indira herself! Once their rebellion was put down, we go back to the old question: "Do Punjab people have any systemic grievances against mother India?" Absolutely none before the rebellion and after the rebellion!
Unfortunately, the situation for the Tamils in Sri Lanka is just the opposite!
3.
Why LTTE is hated by the USA is simple. An email circulation that I received recently puts it like this:
"US wants military bases in SL. Their 1st objective is to make SL a stable country. Their options are: 1) to make SL Singhala only country, 2) to have federal governments with Tamils & Singhala. 3) to have 2 countries. Among the 3 options, option 1 gives them the most stable scenario in SL, i.e. only Singhala living in SL. In addition, the Singhala government will be anti-India while Tamils dominated state will be pro-India. Therefore, Tamils should be killed and the genocide should be fully supported. There are now numerous evidences to support this"
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we should also note the following:
1. USA started fighting the LTTE in 1997, well before the Bush's war-on-terror.
2. Obama terimnated the war on terror. But the USA's war -on-LTTE still continues.
3. The US ambassador has met Pillayan, Karuna, etc. and commented them as democratically elected, shook hands with these 'leaders' who recruit child soldiers, extort money, and recently raped and killed a six year old girl!
The US ambassador has not paid much attention to the similar tamil leaders from the north as yet!
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CORRECTION to my previous post:
[If you listen to KK-of-DMK, he has already said that he'd join Sonia on every rally godmother will appear in India. ]
SHOULD BE:
If you listen to KK-of-DMK, he has already said that he'd join Sonia on every rally godmother will appear in **TN**.
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From '87 to '89 Indian troops fought a war against the LTTE to impose the 13th amendment, which fell well short of Tamil aspirations. At the time, idea was to 'wipe out' the LTTE and implement the 'solution' using quislings.
Rajeev was killed in '91.
From '06 onwards, Indian troops have been fighting against the LTTE to impose the same 13th amendment. Again, idea is to 'wipe out' the LTTE and implement the 'solution' using quislings.
The extent to which the current India/Lanka - LTTE war is influenced by the murder of Rajeev and whether it is a direct consequence of that assassination is questionable, because it is a mere repeat of what happened during the previous Ghandi-Congress administration.
mahindan10,
I would disagree with you on "USA's war -on-LTTE".
Agreed US is hardly helpful, but what it did is a 'pinch' relative to India's 'slaughter'.
Even now, report from close circles in London and Washington is that they will gladly take on China and Russia at UN, as they have done in the case of Sudan, if India would stop backing Sinhalese. US, UK and France won't back Tamils for as long as it is opposed by their "strategic partner" in the area.
[Saul said...
Mahindan, forgot to mention - you make some excellent points. I do not purport to speak for Indian; my own opinion is that your arguments, however valid logically, do not conform to the geopolitical reality today. India is under assault from terrorist organizations from Pakistan, our diplomatic worldview is partially based on a global need for combating terrorism. How then, do we support a declared terrorist organization? The reality has changed, we are living in a different world. ...]
I disagree. The LTTE is not GENUINELY viewed by anyone as a pure terrorist organization except the GOSL. Then why do we label the LTTE as a terrorist organization? Then only the genocide of the TAMILS in the SL can be justified. For more details, look at the last point (3) in my posting at "April 11, 2009 1:47 PM ".
Why can we say that no one GENUINELY views the LTTE as a terrorist organization (again extracting from an email circulation):
Even though many countries have listed LTTE as a terrorist organization, no cricketing nation has canceled tours to SL due to the LTTE while no country tours in Pakistan now and some countries are worried about touring India too. Sri Lanka cricket coach Trevor Bayliss (an Australian) feels very safe to live in Sri Lanka for months and years but worries about his safty in India during the Commonwealth Games expected to last for only 1-2 weeks. England reconsidered their tour of India recently and UK’s Telegraph concludes “England were brave to go back to India”. (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5igPhhft4fDEd7yMLFjy3VpNB332w, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/pakistan/4938957/Pakistan-attack-shows-England-were-brave-to-go-back-to-India.html). To date, the LTTE has not targeted any overseas person in Sri Lanka. These show very clearly that no country/individual genuinely considers the LTTE as a terrorist organization even though the LTTE may have been listed as a terrorist organization in more countires than Pakistan’s terrorist organizations which truely scare the cricketing nations and individuals.
Therefore, now we will have to conclude beyond any reasonable doubt that the international community (IC) is not at all waging a “war on LTTE terror”, but instead only carrying out the genocide of Tamils in SL while calling it as “war on terror”.
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Another DBS article:
http://www.lankaenews.com/English/news.php?id=7461
The LTTE needs to clear up what actually happened in Anandapuram.
The fact that DBS says the photo was of Vidusha shows he is just a government propagandist on payroll:
"The army released some pictures of the dead tigers including Theepan and Vidusha."
Even if Vidusha had been killed, that was not her photograph.
The RAW from time to time puts out alerts like: 1) LTTE is going to attack airports 2) LTTE is gonig to attack AMMA, 3) LTTE is targeting DMK, etc. just to give a continued perception that the LTTE is a terrorist organization with a lot of capabilities even though everyone accepts and knows very well that the LTTE has been well defeated and now does not have the capability to carry out any such attacks in the near future!
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[Editor: "Badrinath" said...
The fact that DBS says the photo was of Vidusha shows he is just a government propagandist on payroll:
"The army released some pictures of the dead tigers including Theepan and Vidusha."
Even if Vidusha had been killed, that was not her photograph. ..]
I REMEMBER SEEING THE PHOTO but her shirt looks very clean and nice as though taken from washing machine! There can be 2 explanations:
1) she was raped after being killed and then given a new shirt.
2) defence.lk took a library photo, rotated it, and closed the eyes!
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[Editor: "Badrinath" said...
Another DBS article:
http://www.lankaenews.com/English/news.php?id=7461
The LTTE needs to clear up what actually happened in Anandapuram. ...]
Is DBSJ asking the LTTE to "clear up what actually happened in Anandapuram"?
I thought that DBSJ knows better than LTTE and the LTTE has to contact DBSJ to become more clear about what is happening to them, .i.e. LTTE!!
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Heavy rains = good cover for boats to slip out.
[Peter said...
mahindan10,
I would disagree with you on "USA's war -on-LTTE".
Agreed US is hardly helpful, but what it did is a 'pinch' relative to India's 'slaughter'.
Even now, report from close circles in London and Washington is that they will gladly take on China and Russia at UN, as they have done in the case of Sudan, if India would stop backing Sinhalese. US, UK and France won't back Tamils for as long as it is opposed by their "strategic partner" in the area. ...]
I disagree. Although the EU, USA, etc. may say that they're working in the interest of India, it is non-sense. They're working for their own benefit and trying to fool anyone.
NO ONE COUNTRY WORKS FOR THE BENEFIT OF ANOTHER COUNTRY. ALWAYS EVERY COUNTRY ATTEMPTS TO MAKE THE SITUATION BENEFICIAL TO ITSELF AND DISADVANTAGEOUS TO ITS COMPETITORS!
If you look at India's governments since 1992, all governments had hands-off policy w. r. t. the LTTE in words & deeds. Narasimha Rao's Congress government was just like that and the BJP after Rao's government was genuinely like that. Then why do you think that the USA, UK, etc. listed the LTTE as a banned organization in the late 1990s? DEFINITELY INDIA DID NOT PRESSURE THEM TO LIST THE LTTE!
Only the current government led by sonia is runing around with the grudge!
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mahindan10,
The ban on LTTE was not all India's work. But the ban didn't make as bigger difference to the LTTE as one might think.
However, US, UK and France do not see Tamil issue as one worth going against India.
They are not against us because of India. They simply won't go against India by supporting us.
"A senior UN official, speaking to Inner City Press Thursday on condition of anonymity, threw the blame for the UN's inaction on Sri Lanka on the shoulders of India."
http://www.innercitypress.com/ban8srilanka021909.html
[Saul said...
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I also want to differentiate between combating Tamils and combating the LTTE. I think that even in the most chauvinist Indian mind the question of combating Tamils does not exist. Not a bit, not now, not in the past, not, IMO, ever.
Some Tamils would say that LTTE = Tamils. I would disagree. And that is where the debate comes in, I guess. ...]
YOU GOT IT CORRECTLY. What you say at the end is the correct version: LTTE = **SL-originated** Tamils. We've these evidences:
1. TNA won 22 out of 23 TAMIL seats during 2004 elections just by saying "The LTTE are the sole-representative of the TAMILS". It also shows that all other 3-5 Tamil-political parties together collectively could not get more than 10-15% of the tamil votes from the north-east.
2. Why the GOSL asks all Tamils from the north-east to register at police station?
Simple: All tamils from the north-east consider the LTTE as the sole representatives. Therefore, we'll have to watch them closely to find out when they also decide to join the LTTE"!
3. Some writers make this statement: "LTTE has hijacked the Tamils freedom struggle". What do they really mean: "All Tamils consider the LTTE as the only organization genuinely fighting for the Tamils cause. But we do not like the LTTE. So, we'll call it as "hijacked"." The real problem is that the TAMILS all over the world are begging every possible organization, officer, country to GENUINELY/SINCERELY "hijack" the Tamils'struggle. But unfortunately, no one is GENUINELY willing to 'hijack'. Everyone is looking ofr his/he gains at the expense of the SL Tamils!
4. We are seeing non-stop protests, demonsrations, hunger-strikes, etc., all over the word. Do we see any organization other the LTTE in these events?
5. Can the GOSL or anti-LTTE organization organize any similar non-stop protests, demonsrations, hunger-strikes, etc. ONLY PARTICIPATED by diaspora TAMILS?
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[Peter said...
mahindan10,
The ban on LTTE was not all India's work. But the ban didn't make as bigger difference to the LTTE as one might think.
However, US, UK and France do not see Tamil issue as one worth going against India. ...]
I disagree. All these countries appear to be going AGAINST TAMILS very willingly than ONLY due to the pressure from INDIA which started only from 2004.
I SAY FIRMLY ... FROM THE DAY THE CEASEFIRE WAS SIGNED IN 2002 FEB, the co-chairs have started their work to undermine the LTTE slowly with no pressure what so ever from the BJP government in India.
The behavior of the BBC, CNN, VOA, etc.'s reporting cannot be influenced by INDIA.All these news media are very happy to copy from defence.lk but would never copy from tamilnet or SL-Tamils' media. I MUST also add that these new agencies NOT frightened of Sri Lanka NOR India. Then why r they behaving like this?
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mahindan10,
Compare IANS and other Indian media against BBC and other IC media. Difference is obvious. Yes, US & Co don't support us, but they don't fight against Tamils to the same level as India. As I said, what US does is a 'pinch' relative to India's 'slaughter'.
I'm off for the day.
Peter, Kathirgamar (with his talent!) did a great deal of damage to the Tamil liberation movement. He was well-used by Bandas.
When i make the statement below:
[I disagree. All these countries appear to be going AGAINST TAMILS very willingly than ONLY due to the pressure from INDIA which started only from 2004.]
i ask you to think and try to differentiate between
"people doing things simply becoz they're forced but they naturally do not want to do"
and
"people doing things very willingly, but due to the bad nature of the work, they try to find a scapegoat".
The EU, Japan, USA are all in the 2nd group!
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[Peter said...
mahindan10,
Compare IANS and other Indian media against BBC and other IC media. Difference is obvious. Yes, US & Co don't support us, but they don't fight against Tamils to the same level as India. As I said, what US does is a 'pinch' relative to India's 'slaughter'. ...]
YES, USA is happy that India is doing the dirty work for the benefit of the USA :-)
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There has to have been some thing that triggered the Sri Lankan government to use chemical weapons. One speculation is they got word Prabhakaran was in Anandapuram, and then took the chance to use chemical weapons. Obviously Prabhakaran is never alone, so there were many leaders around at the time.
According to the government's story, Bhanu and several hundred soldiers broke through the lines and made it back to the no fire zone. So why would many leaders and hundreds of LTTE fighters stay back to fight instead of following Bhanu into the no fire zone? The story doesn't make sense.
Another unconvincing story is that it was actually a mass suicide which the government took credit for. In this story, all the leaders took cyanide, and Prabhakaran would have had his body burnt to ashes, never to be found. This story also doesn't seem too convincing. If it were true, then there are no LTTE in the no fire zone, and the Sri Lankan army is waiting for no reason at all.
The story about the LTTE sending reinforcements by ship is complete crap, because there is no sea access to the area. Plus the LTTE boats were filmed by UAV and it showed a small motor boat with 4 people in it. What kind of reinforcements are that?
The story of encircling the LTTE fighters seems very unlikely unless the LTTE fighters had penetrated several kilometers into Sri Lankan army lines. That is a possibility that hasn't been looked at. Perhaps it wasn't a counter attack that was preempted. Perhaps the LTTE successfully launched the counter attack and penetrated several kilometers into SLA lines, but then the Sri Lankan army took advantage of the LTTE being deep inside, and then circled them.
[Peter said...
mahindan10,
Compare IANS and other Indian media against BBC and other IC media. Difference is obvious. Yes, US & Co don't support us, but they don't fight against Tamils to the same level as India. As I said, what US does is a 'pinch' relative to India's 'slaughter'. ...]
YES, USA is happy that India is doing the dirty work for the benefit of the USA, so that the USA's contribution to this dirty work can be at the level of 'pinch' :-)
has Obama ever made any statement on the suffering of Tamils?
Sorry, we cannot put everything on INDIA. THERE ARE MORE DIRTY GAMES BEING PLAYED!
WE COULD ONLY PRAY THAT 1) THERE WILL BE A BJP GOVERNMENT SOON IN INDIA 2) IT'LL BECOME GENUINELY FRIENDLY/SYMPATHETIC TO TAMILS 3) then we can see how the USA, UK, EU will react :-)
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Peter,
I remember reading on this blog that Libya is giving US $ 500 mil. USA knows very well why MR is going to Libya - just to beg for money. Libya is now a very good friend of the USA. So, USA can influence Libya so that no money is given to the GOSL?
Strangely, my view is just the opposite. The USA wants to help the GOSL genuinely (not due to the pressure from India :-)). But, there are TAG cases against the IMF. So, the best way out would be to get a friend to do the IMF's role but WITHOUT anoy of the standard IMF's conditions.
Wy this is to be done? If not, GOSL will sell Trinco, Palai, etc. to China or India to get money. Who is the loser in this situation: Obviously the USA :-)
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[mahindan10 said...
Peter,
I remember reading on this blog that Libya is giving US $ 500 mil. USA knows very well why MR is going to Libya - just to beg for money. ...]
ACTUALLY IT IS ALSO possible that the USA initiated this whole process. have you heard about iran-gate, water-gate, etc.?
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Peter,
before i finish off for the day (it is past 12 MN in SL), i say that i also pray that some other countries/organizations will genuinely 'hijack' the SL-tamil's cause soon!!
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Too those indian's who think they can handle anyhting. Well if that true, then you should have allowed tamil eelam to rise. You could not
handle that ? you do not have stomac for that.
That would be the biggest threat to India is this tiny little tamil state with more freedom then what tamils in TN enjoy ?
Also why the hell india hiding the help its doing to SLA ? what does it fear ? may be that exact fear is somethig you need look more closer.
SLA embarks upon capturing attack on civilians, 300 shells explode within 45 minutes
[TamilNet, Saturday, 11 April 2009, 23:13 GMT]
Sri Lanka Army (SLA) embarked upon intense attack on the 'safety zone', in the early hours of Sunday, targeting a place called Pachchaip-pulmoaddai, aiming for bifurcating and capturing the northern part of the 'safety zone', initial reports from Vanni said. Heavy shelling and gunfire by the SLA started around 3:15 a.m. in the morning, and within 45 minutes, more than 300 shells exploded inside the civilian area of the safety zone around Pachchaip-pulmoaddai. Heavy civilian casualties are feared. Because of the rains, people are even unable to hide in the bunkers which are flooded, reports said. Meanwhile, since Friday, the SLA was building up heavily on the other side of the lagoon in Maaththa'lan, close to the makeshift hospital.
Pachchaip-pulmoaddai is located between Valaignarmadam and Mu'l'livaaykkaal. Maaththa'lan, where the makeshift hospital is located, lies north of Pachchaip-pulmoaddai.
17 civilians were killed and 48 injured in SLA attacks on Saturday.
Happy Easter brothers.. sorry for calling you donkeys.
Where is the FDL these days?
well sihala sri lanka want to declare a tottal vicotry by the sihala new year, the bustards wont care about tamils how many thousand tamil die. World should know and accept that tamils wont be safe with in the merciless sinhala state.
[well sihala sri lanka want to declare a tottal vicotry by the sihala new year, the bustards wont care about tamils how many thousand tamil die. World should know and accept that tamils wont be safe with in the merciless sinhala state.]
Well if that is your conclusion, then may be Thalaivar and his leaders should surrender or kill themselves so that the thousands survive, right? You admit they have no chance of fighting the mighty Sri Lankan Army. May be the civilians in the Safety Zone would like to join the thousands of brothers and sisters who have escaped to the Army side.
Dear mahindan10,
"This is where Peter is trying to amke some sense. When the Tamils are annihilated, then there is no reason for Sri Lanka to bother with India."
I already demolished Peter's flimsy argument. An independent Tamileelam- India-backed or not- would further push Sri Lanka towards China for its security needs. Note that SL hardly had any relationship with China before the war.
Hambantota was the result of Mahinda's need for Chinese arms to wipe out the LTTE, and the Indians will have to accept that. With the LTTE out of the picture, though, there won't be such a pressing need for these Chinese weapons and SL will turn to the countries which will provide the most post-conflict reconstruction assistance.
India may not have been able to help SL fight the LTTE, but it certainly has a choice whether to help SL rebuild after the LTTE is gone.
"below is an analysis on the geo-political games and how India has been a looser always!"
Nice try, but if you want anyone to talk your "analysis" seriously you should first learn how to spell "loser" properly (ex. Eelamoids who had bet the house and farm that the LTTE would achieve victory are real losers.)
Badri,
"I feel the best way to raise support for LTTE in Tamil Nadu is LTTE should contest the elections, perhaps even having Prabhakaran contesting. First they would need the ban to be lifted of course, otherwise their party workers will be arrested."
Actually that is a pretty good idea from our perspective (which probably explains why Saul thought it was a fake Badri having this idea). LTTE would serve us much better as an Indian political party than as a Sri Lankan militant group. However, the Indians most certainly will not go along with it. :-(
I think LTTE will get not 10-20% of the vote but 150%. Thalaivar can become Chief Minister, and then after the Indians see what a terrific leader he is Thalaivar will become Indian Prime Minister and drop a nuclear bomb on us moda bandas. Brilliant strategy Badri.
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Editor: "Badrinath" said...
Perhaps it wasn't a counter attack that was preempted. Perhaps the LTTE successfully launched the counter attack and penetrated several kilometers into SLA lines, but then the Sri Lankan army took advantage of the LTTE being deep inside, and then circled them.
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What is your current take?
1)Did this attack actually happen?
2)Did Theepan and many other leader get killed? 3)Were a large number of small ones also killed?
Stop contradicting yourself. Few days ago your stand was "this attack never happened", now another story. We expect something better from the 'editor' who gets first hand inside information from Peter's brother in law, sis in law and other relatives
The mighty sri lankan army is pointing a gun at tamil people and telling them to surrender. So why should they co operarate with the enemny ? even if they do sihala army will do what it good at doing killing innocent civilions and then claiming there are the LTTE.
Nadesan: there will be no post-LTTE scenario
[TamilNet, Saturday, 11 April 2009, 12:35 GMT]
This is a very important message to all tamils.
Indians and Sihales can talk as mush as about post LTTE situation. That will never happen.
FreedomFighter..... So Nadesan is the Oracle... is it? What he speaks, happens, is it? I can still remember he saying "the SLA will never set foot in Killinocchi" and "Puthukudu will be the graveyard of the SLA" .... for your sake I hope he has consumed less Arrack this time (before he spoke)
:D
Oh.. here the confirmation has come from none other than DBSJ. Many consider him as an Eelamist!
525 Bodies initially collected + 120 Reduced to ashes + 60 bloated bodies later recovered + 40 in charred state= 745 , and 20 surrendered
Monkeynath, are you going to arrange at least some remembrance for these fallen people?
[wijayapala said...
Dear mahindan10,
"This is where Peter is trying to amke some sense. When the Tamils are annihilated, then there is no reason for Sri Lanka to bother with India." ...]
Dear Modaya wijayapala,
are you blind also? this is how shit lanka hates india all the way from independence!
In 1972, when Indian soldiers were fighting the JVP in SL, SL government allowed Pakistan to fly to Bangladesh to fight Indian soldiers in Bangladesh via Colombo airport when Colombo airport itself was then protected by the Indian soldiers! Even recently, there were reports that Indian cricketers were stoned several times in Sri Lanka during their tour in Feb-2009. This is what Mr. Wimal Weerawansa (who is a puppet of the ‘Rajapakse Pte Ltd’) said about the Indian medical team arrived in Sri Lanka recently: “We are not concerned about the medical team sent by the Indians but who knows whether they are actual doctors or persons attached to RAW (Research and Analysts Wing), attached to the Indian Intelligence Unit, who were known to have trained the LTTE in the inception.” (http://www.dailymirror.lk/DM_BLOG/Sections/frmNewsDetailView.aspx?ARTID=42881, Mar-09). It appears that the ‘Rajapakse Terror Unlimited’ has even encouraged doctors to protest against the Indian medical team because no Sri Lankan will protest without the full support of the ‘Rajapakse Terror Unlimited’ (“Lankan doctors threaten strike”, http://www.expressbuzz.com). Even though India has whole-heartedly supported Sri Lanka’s genocidal war on Tamils, the actions and statements show clearly how India is viewed in Sri Lanka. When India canceled its tour of Pakistan after the Mumbai attack, Sri Lanka was happy to tour Pakistan and got fired at (by RAW?)
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Unconfirmed, but cited in newspapers:
["Diplomatic sources indicate that Tiger leader Velupillai Prabhakaran has apparently agreed to a rescue mission by a Western country," the state-run Sunday Observer said.]
If the Report is to go by, Fonseka may rebel against Mahinda & impose Emergency.
[Powerful countries were exerting pressure on the government to initiate a ceasefire at week’s end. Meanwhile, the government has agreed to halt military operations for a period of 48 hours if the LTTE will release trapped civilians in the ‘No Fire Zone’.
The ambassador for the United States in Sri Lanka, Robert O. Blake has told the government that the US had contacted the LTTE leadership through a third party and that the Tiger leadership was demanding a seven- day ceasefire if it was to release civilians.
However, the government has told Blake that if the US could guarantee that the LTTE would release civilians, government would halt military operations for a period of 48 hours only. “The LTTE is designated as a foreign terrorist organization by the US thereby preventing direct contact with the Tigers. Hence a third party was a requirement for negotiations. However, it is not known who the third party was, though some sources suggest that it may have been the peace facilitator, Norway”, military sources said. However, the Commander of the Army, Lt General Sarath Fonseka had vehemently protested against the ceasefire proposal warning that it is a ruse by the guerrilla leadership to flee the country, sources said.
The Commander had said “Escape by the LTTE leadership would mean the relocation of the command structure of the LTTE out of the country for the reorganization in the future, as most of the middle ranking leaders of the LTTE were killed in the recent military operations leaving its top rung leadership still functional”.
The five seniormost leaders of the guerrilla hierarchy- Prabhakaran, Pottu Amman, Nadeshan, Soosai and Swarnam were still operating from the ‘No Fire Zone’. In addition, Jeyam, Lawrence and Banu are surviving; the latter escaped with injuries during pitched battles in Pachcha Pulmudai in the first four days of this month.
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PTK and the surroduing area are the grave yard of SLA. Number of SLA killed in march and april alone will be closer to 10,000.
Moda Bandas will belive anything.. How is this 120 bodys were counted from ashes. What I hear is that SLA has diging out perviously dead tamil
fighter and displaying them for propaganda. To hide their own losses.
["How is this 120 bodys were counted from ashes."]
The claim that two LTTE buses full of reinforcements were burnt is false.
1) There is no signs of human remains in the ashes. These buses were just damaged in cross firing, but no one was inside.
2) The Sri Lankan airforce requires around 1 hour to respond to any visual target. If the battleground is only 2 to 3 kilometers in length, there is no way the air force could have arrived before the buses reached their destination.
3) Artillery is not accurate enough to hit a moving bus, so this is highly unlikely.
4) Tanks were not in sight range.
Overall its just a made up story by DBS Jeyaraj, who is on the payroll of the Sri Lankan government. There were obviously casualties in the fighting, but their version is designed to hurt the sentiments of the Tamil diaspora.
badri...why do u decide to conveniently forget the fact that the choppers/planes may well have been on the air when the buses came? If the buses were taking in reinforcements then that means the fighting has already started, thus the possibility that air assets were already providing support is very high... Quite strange that your normally quite "detective like" brain missed that fact
:)
From Sunday times,
Millions allocated for DBS Jeyaraj, Stwart Bell (National Post), etc..
http://www.sundaytimes.lk/090412/News/sundaytimesnews_01.html
supplementary allocations to various ministries including Rs 69 million to counter LTTE propaganda in the United States, according to documents presented to Parliament last week.
First of all whats the point in using a bus or truck in small area for to transport ? tigurs stoped doing that long time ago. Any way, while 3 of the transport got burned. Bhun must have bee riding on bycilce, so some how the clever Banda in helicopter missed.. give me a break.
SLA are in desperate attempt trying create diversion from all the protest going up all over the world and try to end this war. They are trying demotivate people by
lieing in big way. But these stupid storys are just back firing on them. As tamils blood is spiled and thamil blood will boil. we are not the same as we were in july 83.
FreedomFighter...yes yes....the LTTE does not use buses and trucks...Here is the real situation...the super duper LTTE carders just teleport from the NFZ straight to the battle zone... they have beaming technology and morphing technology developed by the super intelligent thamilaaz in Mulativu (this technology was borrowed from the Super Intelligent Thamilaaz and used by the Star Ship Enterprise in Star Trek and Agent Smith in Matrix..)
Thats the real deal..got it? :D
TG.. well you will belive even that, if thats told by you'r defence media.
[Editor: "Badrinath" said...
Unconfirmed, but cited in newspapers:
["Diplomatic sources indicate that Tiger leader Velupillai Prabhakaran has apparently agreed to a rescue mission by a Western country," the state-run Sunday Observer said.] ]
FONSEKA WILL NOT ALLOW THIS! GOTA & FONSEKA wanted to kill as many civilians as possible and then to say "killed by the ltte when the civilian wanted go to the genocidal barbarian gosl forces, there won't that many civilians, no witness, no evidence who killed, etc.,etc. if a western country rescue, then there will be an account of survivors.
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Any why so how come SLA killed 745 LTTER ? with out any casulties to them self ? it that becuase they used a chemical wepon ?
Aslo You'r shit lanka media saying that there were only 380 LTTE left.. where did the other 350 come from ? where they civilions ?
body you stole from grave yards ?
Their own stupid storys do not match.
["badri...why do u decide to conveniently forget the fact that the choppers/planes may well have been on the air when the buses came?"]
The fighting lasted for 5 days. It is highly unlikely there were planes flying 24 hours a day. The planes couldn't even bomb the artilleries that were firing nonstop, so what to speak of reinforcements coming in for just five minutes by road.
The Sri Lankan government says they will stop firing into the no fire zone for the next 48 hours. Don't they realize that they are admitting they have been firing into the no fire zone all the other days?
Successful LTTE counter attacks has compelled SLA to go on a defensive mode between 12th and 15th of April.
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The fighting lasted for 5 days. It is highly unlikely there were planes flying 24 hours a day. The planes couldn't even bomb the artilleries that were firing nonstop, so what to speak of reinforcements coming in for just five minutes by road.
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But I thought few days ago you said this fight didn't happen at all??
Badrinath in Denial
April 5, 2009 11:07 AM
If what the Sri Lankan army said was true, if 600 LTTE fighters and 10 commanders had been killed, and if everything was falling apart, you wouldn't find this type of peace and order.
April 6, 2009 12:04 AM
From past examples we know that if the Sri Lankan government actually had 400 bodies collected, they would be jumping up and down pasting posters of it on every house. The fact that they are not showing more than 20 bodies means the story is made up. Out of those 20 bodies, the idea that 15 of them could be leaders is highly unlikely.
April 6, 2009 1:01 AM
Just one more point, the story of the "encircling" of a pocket of LTTE fighters at PTK is impossible. If you see the land layout, there is no way they could get behind LTTE lines in this situation, as the South approach is fully blocked by the Nandikadal lagoon, and North along the narrow lagoon is an open field which cannot be used due to no cover.
April 6, 2009 7:04 AM
That would explain the sudden net-kills of virtually the entire LTTE leadership, and now the claim that there are only 100 LTTE fighters left (15 of whom are senior leaders). Those remaining 85 fighters are keeping watch over 150,000 civilians, plus guarding against the Sri Lankan army.
April 6, 2009 11:17 AM
Just to clarify on the pictures of dead LTTE soldiers, I counted them from two angles and there are around 60 bodies. Over three or four days of fighting, that is reasonable and expected.
April 6, 2009 1:23 PM
Defence.lk orbit map is updated but it still shows LTTE holding the edge of PTK.
Badri I'd like to know the date/time when you woke up from the virtual world of denial into the real life accepting that Theepan's gone along with 600 others?
I'm not Bahirav.....classic work...I always wanted to do some thing similar, but couldnt find the time to go thru all the comments....
For now, I will keep reminding Badri of the 5381 SLA Killed over 10,000 surrendered story...
:D
தமிழர்களே போர்நிறுத்த போர்வையின் கீழ் தமிழ் மக்களின் மீது அகோர தாக்குதல். தற்பொழுது ஆஸ்திரேலியாவில் பிரதமர் அலுவலத்தில் முற்றுகை போராட்டத்தை ஆரம்பித்துள்ளோம்.
Badri,
A medical report on one photo of a Maveerer here was heard on IBC Tamil.
Completely depressed after seeing a still not born Tamil baby in TamilNet. We live in what world ?
Will Sonia look at these images?
MrBrown said...
Hi Badri Peter and others..
It is well known secret that Theepan , Vidursha and other comanders were killed with few hundreds cadres.. denying this fact is futile and it will no way bring u anything good.. better accept this fact and continue some good arguement..or anything.. well LTTE keeps silent for long ..as far as I know from Comander vinayagam's death.. after that there were some more..like Thamilenthi.. and Amuthap.. Well DBS jeyaraj is writing some non sense and defence.lk report might not be logical..but the death almost 100% true.. it is highly possible SLA also hiding some facts..this is why there report does not make sense some time.. according to tamils its very sad ..but it is NOT the END for sure..lets move on accepting these facts rathe than denying it..
["Badri I'd like to know the date/time when you woke up from the virtual world of denial into the real life accepting that Theepan's gone along with 600 others?"]
I can't say if 600 fighters died or 200 died (the number quoted in some Tamil media, but when you use chemical weapons there will be large casualties.
Nadesan's interview conveys an important message that everything is in control. In fact before the fall of Killinochi itself, he had told that holding territories is not everything; due to strategic reasons they may take appropriate decision to prsserve their men and materials.
He had said that even if they happen to give up Killinochi or Mullaithhevu, they are capable of recovering the land belonging to the Tamil Eelam back.
He had also said that the they will ensure that none of the army men who had entered into Vanni goes back alive.
He had clearly hinted at the present scenario few months back itself. So they had anticipated, planned and prepared to face it.
Even now the tone of Nadesan looks so confident, I feel they can handle it.
No post LTTE scenario.
["but the death almost 100% true."]
I accept there have been several leaders killed, unfortunately the LTTE is not revealing the details and no one is getting a clear picture of what happened. At this stage I don't see the benefit of hiding the facts, as eventually it will come out and which ever side lied will look bad.
SHIT LANKA CANT TAKE THE PRESSURE ANYMORE
Sri Lanka military declares truce
By Anbarasan Ethirajan
BBC News, Colombo
Tens of thousands of Tamils have been protesting in western capitals.
Sri Lanka's government has declared a temporary halt to its offensive against Tamil Tiger rebels in the north-east.
The move, which aims to let civilians leave the conflict zone safely, comes in view of New Year celebrations that start on Monday, the government said.
There has been no immediate response from the Tamil Tigers.
The authorities have been under growing international pressure to allow time for tens of thousands of trapped civilians to leave the war zone safely.
See map of the region
The decision came after a special cabinet meeting headed by President Mahinda Rajapakse.
Sri Lankan Foreign Minister Rohitha Bogollagama told the BBC that government forces would not engage in any offensive operations during the two-day Sinhala and Tamil New Year period.
He said the decision was taken to allow time for civilians to leave the war zone safely.
The authorities had been under pressure from the UN, US and other countries to allow a humanitarian pause to allow civilians time to leave the conflict zone.
Tamil 'suspending hunger strike'
Thousands on Tamil protest march
Tens of thousands of people, mostly Tamils, have been protesting in Western capitals demanding an immediate ceasefire in north-eastern Sri Lanka.
The Sri Lankan military says it has captured the entire Tamil Tiger-held territory in the north and pushed the rebels into a government-designated safe zone set up to protect civilians in the north-east.
The defence ministry says security forces have surrounded the no-fire zone on all three sides and troops are now poised to enter the area to rescue the civilians.
There has been no immediate reaction from the rebels to the government's announcement on temporary halt to the fighting.
The United Nations has warned that if the army enters the safe zone in pursuit of the rebels, there could be bloodbath on the beaches of north-eastern Sri Lanka
Just see how easily the press gets manipulated by the Sri Lankan government. They declare a 48 hours "truce" (while actually continuing to fire as normal), and the press writes as though all the problems are over"
"Sri Lanka military declares truce"
Monkeys are on denial!
badri..
remember the previous 48 hours 'truce' where they kept firing...same thing will repeat as u said...i think it is to convince the rest of the world they have accepted some sort of ceasefire...
Ceasefires are pointless when the international community doesn't even care to check on it if it is real.
CNN NEWS TITLE HAS SOME TRUTH COMPARED TO BBC...
Sri Lanka restricts military operation for New Year
The two-day celebrations begin Monday.
COLOMBO, Sri Lanka (CNN) -- The Sri Lankan president has ordered military troops to restrict their offensive against Tamil rebels while the nation celebrates the Sinhala and Tamil New Year.
The two-day celebrations begin Monday.
Mahinda Rajapakse's office said in a statement the order was meant to allow the thousands of Tamils trapped by the fighting to travel for the New Year.
Troops are in the midst of an intense military push in northern Sri Lanka where they have snatched back large swaths of land from the Tamil Tiger rebels.
The rebels have fought for an independent homeland for the country's ethnic Tamil minority since 1983.
The civil war has left more than 70,000 people dead.
BBC manipulates: “100 000 Tamils to stop GOSL offensive on Tigers”. While the main Tamil demand is a ceasefire to save the Vanni Tamils from genocide.
தமிழா
செல்லுக்கு பயந்து காடு மேடெல்லாம் ஓடினாய்
அகதியாய் நாடு நாடக அலைந்தாய்,
ஒருமுறை வாழ்வுக்காக போராட மாட்டாயா ?
உலகெங்கும் வாழும் தமிழா உன் உறவை காக்க போராடு.
khanthas,
I think the BBC story works to our advantage as well. It shows 100, 000 Tamils in UK openly support the LTTE. "Post-LTTE scenario"?
Had a good laugh flicking though the pages of Sunday weeklies from banda-stan.
They appear to be convinced by 700+ net-kills. Similar tone to the net-injury, even net-amputation, of VP a day after 2007 Heroes' Day.
Peter...any more update on the protest...
m.g.k,
UK protest is ongoing. Police tried to move people out on Saturday night, when the crowd reduced to double digits. But more people have joined today; so, back on.
Everywhere else, they are ongoing. French hinger strike people are taking fluids after promise of action at end of Easter break.
Whatever IC decides to do will be slow and minimal. I guess, something is better than nothing. Also, our youth need to wake out of the 'mayai' of god IC. Now, most kids are starting to realize we have to learn to defend ourselves instead of relying on others.
True indeed Peter, my bad, I didn’t see it that way first. Finally, the BBC gets some band-ness with obediently parroting Bandas.
Peter...
i think the remaining people in the gov prison camp will disappear too in the near future..
if the war ends..then tamil race in sri lanke will be eradicated slowly except for some traitors..
there will be no reporting as usual..hence it will easier to accomplish..they might say the tamils have migrated to different countries...
peter...any reporting of this in tamil media?
"The state owned Sunday Observer newspaper said apparently Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) leader Velupillai Prabhakaran has agreed for a “Western” country to evacuate the entrapped civilians in the land demarcated as No Fire Zone"
Current estimate is that bandas will give white van rides to between 40, 000 and 70, 000 people. That's one of the reasons why the GoSL already under estimating the number of civilians in the so called 'safe-zone'.
In all other mass displacement cases, UNHCR has taken responsibility for people. If it does so in Vanni, it will have to register all the people and could be held accountable for their fate. UN does not want to be accused of 'disappearing' thousands of people. That's why it does not operate nor monitor any camps.
All adds to worrying scenario unless Tamil Diaspora and TN take drastic action.
m.q.k,
Sunday Observer is the paper version of DefenceLK. Note: 'state owned'.
This cesefire is a joke.. how the hell these people suppose to celiberate when they know in 48 hours shells will start droping back again.
this is a trick to fool the world. and discourage the protesters.
khanthas ,
BBC will do an ArmyLK: they'll disappear the article as soon as they realize.
FreedomFighter,
Who is there to assure that a 'cease fire' is indeed in effect?
Net-ceasefires will make no difference to the people.
SHIT LANKA CANT EVEN RUN TRAIN SERVICE...
The north bound train services from the Sri Lankan capital Colombo were disrupted Sunday due to a derailment, railway officials said.
Vijeya Samarasinghe the Superintendent Services of Railway said that a train carrying fuel to northern town of Vavuniya was derailed near Tambuttegama in the north central province around 7 a.m. local time (0130 GMT).
//Mahindan said,
1>In the 1960s, Central wanted to push Hindi in TN. Tamils protested. Central respected the feelings of TN Tamils ad gave up the Hindi drive. To date, TN is the only South State with the lowest hindi speaking popln.
2>Kashmir problem is on-going for 40-50 years. Are all Muslims in India viewed as a potential terrorist? Is India bombing, shelling Kashmir? Is Kashmir colonised by hindi/hindu popln over the last 50-60 years?//
Mahindan,
Both these comments are completely amateurish.You have to understand the facts.
India became a Republic in 1950 and the official language was Hindi,with English too being accorded official language status for a period of 15 years.When this 15 years ended in 1965,the then central Govt amended the constituion and made sure that English too will continue as Official language.As of now the situation is,we have 3 sets of States - A,B,C.States listed in set A receives the Central Government communique's in both English and Hindi.States listed in set B receive them only in Hindi and set C receives only in English.
As much as I admire CN Annadurai for his oratory skills,I dont agree with him on anti Hindi agitation.What it ensured is,couple of generations lost it completely when they crossed the borders of TN.Anna too was a politician.He used that plank to achieve power and skilfuly abandoned it when he came to power - but he did remove Hindi as language from State education board in schools.All they did at that time was to pour tar on the hindi names in Railway stations and as Karuna so proudly claims,he lay down on a railway track which had a train that was stopped anyways.Would have been good to know what would have happned if the train began to move LOL
Let me assure you,we are not really proud of not knowing Hindi.You can survive using Hindi in most of the states in India,where English is not as commonly spoked as in TN.
Coming back to Kashmir problem,yes its been going on for years.Not all Muslims are viewed as terrorists.Counter insurgency operations occur on a daily basis.As I type this,NDTV is saying news about encounter in Kupwara district.Kashmir is not colonised and enjoys more power under a special act,which is a bone of contention as well.BUt the difference is,in Kashmir,we have moderates and separatists.The Govt conducts dialogues with moderates and this is a ongoing process.The army fights against the terrorists.In Lankan scenario,the Tiger's eliminated everyone and as a result,if the Tiger's do get annihilated and become a guerilla outfit again,there is no one to represent the Tamils if the Govt initiates talks.
This stupid International Community is unable to control the Sri Lanka. How can they control North Korea and Iran in the future? I think that's the reason North Korea tested the missile recently. There is no world power by action only mouth talk.
mgk: At the moment another place ( for 400 people) is permitted but with two conditions: No loud speakers and no Eelam flags. This morning there were fewer people but Tamils are coming back. Perhaps British Tamils were self-satisfied with yesterday’s success. I think now this spontaneous movement should be organized to maintain a minimum number of people at a moment given.
Tamil protesters take to the streers of Kirribilli.
More than 1,000 Tamil protesters, mostly families with small children, staged a sit-down protest blocking the junction of Kirribilli Avenue and Carabella Streets outside the Prime Minister's Sydney residence in Kirribilli. It was part of a global protest aimed at brokering a ceasefire between the Sri Lankan army and the Tamil Tigers in north-eastern Sri Lanka.
khanthas,
Is that the latest from UK? I spoke to a few people this morning, they said they were heading to Westminster this morning after hearing news of people being moved out.
The flag thing is stupid and futile. Thousands carried it yesterday. They should either impose a total ban on anything to do with Tamileelam or accept that Tamileelam flag is significantly difference from LTTE flag.
@ Indian, have you ever heard about Anna analogy of the 2 doors one big and small ??? Pathetic Hindian chamcha
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m.q.k said...
SHIT LANKA CANT EVEN RUN TRAIN SERVICE...
The north bound train services from the Sri Lankan capital Colombo were disrupted Sunday due to a derailment, railway officials said.
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Not only the train services even the bus services are horrible. Did you see the long queues at the Pettah bus stand?
Tch tch.. terrible no?
The Hindu, ironically from Chennai, does a better job than DefenceLK.
"Hundreds of Tamils in Europe protest, demanding truce in Sri Lanka"
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200904121606.htm
No mention of 100k+ in London. Mentions the city but avoids the number.
@ hey Hindian troll , how many times must you be reminded ? Sri Lanka is not India, LTTE's so called terrorism is result of Sri Lankan state sponsored terrorism ..
so called 'cease fire' in the so called 'safe zone'
http://www.puthinam.com/full.php?2b34OOc4b3c66D124de1VoU0a03m4AAd4d3ASmA3e0dA0MtZce04f1e62ccbKcYO3e
@Hindian troll, even Rajiv was murdered as result of Sri Lankan state sponsored terrorism
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khanthas...
where is the place and why such conditions are imposed only there...
RAW infiltrated heavily in South Asian Bureau of BBC. As matter of fact, as soon as Indian doctors landed in Pulmoddai, they continue to bring anti-Tamil interviews on air.
Peter..
thanks for the link...
the photos shows situation are getting worse by the day...
Bhairav
Looks like the Indian enclave in Pulmoddai is the only place on the island where BBC has access. Slightly stupid to be so open about it though.
A document on the mustard gas attacks by SLA
http://www.sangam.org/2009/04/WWW_Chemical_Bombs.pdf
THE TAMILS IN AUSTRALIA ARE COMING UP WITH DIFFERENT FRESH IDEA OF PROTEST TACTICS...
Hundreds of people have gathered outside the Prime Minister's Sydney residence to protest against the Sri Lankan Government.
Police say about 400 to 500 members of the Tamil community gathered on the streets near Kirribilli House
I'm not Bhairav are you RG's lover you seem to miss him more than the Italian bar waitress
Peter, "Vanangamun" is ordered to return into UK by its government after the GoSL's pressure?
Peter, mgk, I heard this on IBC from those at the site. When a thousand people carry the flag, they leave it as a people’s aspiration. When a few carry it, those few become terrorists. They make laws leaving some loop-holes to interpretation.
I also heard in IBC a medical report by some doctor saying that one photo of a Mahaveerer here ( much decomposed body) must have been dug out and washed before pictured. Unfortunately for bandas as they are bandas always, they took the photo before the water dry out. There were lot of other details in this report…
khanthas..
an ideal protest....they are not afraid of police threats..
At 10:30pm, officers from the riot squad arrived. A senior police officer told protesters they had five minutes to disperse. The directive led the crowd to chant louder and sit down linking arms.
Roy how did you guess...
***blushing****
THIS GUY NEEDS ANOTHER SHOE...
Karaikudi (TN): India was putting pressure on Sri Lanka to "stop the ongoing war" in the neighbouring country, Union Home Minister P Chidambaram today said and expressed hope that the Lankan government and the LTTE would agree to stop the hostilities.
"A few days ago the Prime Minister, the External Affairs Minister, myself, the National Security Advisor and the Foreign Secretary held a discussion and we have made some strong demands to Sri Lanka. We have pressed the Sri Lankan Government to stop the war," he told reporters here.
"It is not a mere request to the Sri Lankan government to stop the war. It is more than that..We have said there is a need to stop the war," he said in this town, which forms part of his Sivaganga Lok Sabha constituency.
"At the same time we are also pressing the LTTE to stop the war. I hope our request will yield fruit. If there is no result, the Sri Lankan Government and all the people living in that country will be affected in a big way," he said.
He requested the people of Tamil Nadu to have faith in the action taken by the Central Government and support it.
I drive around the city in Canada with Eelam flag, no issues with it. In fact, Canadian police started to respect us nowadays. Many police said "vanakkam" to me in the Ottawa protest 2 days back.
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