Wednesday, May 20, 2009

Sri Lanka bans ICRC from IDP camps; let the executions begin



By Robert Bosleigh in Colombo

The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) has been forced to suspend the distribution of emergency supplies to as many as 300,000 people displaced by the Sri Lankan Army’s victory over the Tamil Tigers after the Government blocked access to aid camps.

Fears have been growing over the welfare of those forced to flee the conflict zone – many of whom are sick or suffering from battlefield injuries – after tight restrictions were placed on the UN and other agencies trying to administer aid.

Urgently needed supplies of food and clothing had been suspended after access to the camps was restricted by the Government, an ICRC spokesperson told The Times this morning.

The ICRC had been the only neutral aid organisation allowed inside the conflict zone. It had between 20 and 25 staff on the ground in the northeastern region where the Tigers made their last stand over the weekend but has not heard from them since last week.

The blocking of access to the battle zone has raised fears for the fate of those civilians too sick or injured to flee the area by foot.

Those who escaped had to wade through a mine-strewn lagoon, journeying several days to reach camps that are struggling to cope.

Accounts of conditions inside the camps — gained from testimony recorded covertly by aid workers — and the journey to them are horrifying.

Preema, a Tamil woman, arrived at the 400-hectare (990-acre) Menic farm camp on Sunday. She had left Mullaivaikal, the centre of the fighting where the Tigers made their final stand, after being shelled heavily.

She set out with her husband, mother and two children, to wade through the Nandikadal lagoon — a waterway strewn with mines — in a desperate attempt to reach safety.

There were deep craters where the lagoon had been bombed and people often drowned, she said. Her mother died in the lagoon. A man offered to carry her ten-year-old daughter. Preema never saw them again. Her husband was taken away by government troops after admitting that he had worked for the Tigers. He was stopped at a checkpoint in Oomanthai where refugees are being forced to strip before being allowed to pass.

“Everything is lost,” said Preema, holding her son, seven. “Please help me find my daughter. Not knowing anything is making me crazy.”

Inside one camp, Nandani, 76, described being forced to stand for up to five hours a day queueing for food.

Kala, a middle-aged woman, spoke about the constant indignities of her new life. “I do not have underwear. I am unable to use the Kotex that the Red Cross handed out,” she said, holding a packet of sanitary towels she had been given before the organisation’s access to the camp was restricted.

Kothai, another woman, said: “There is a bad distribution system within the camp. Every time it is the same people that get. Men crowd around and push the women and children aside.”

Government officials did not answer requests for comment. Access for aid agencies to another 200,000 refugees already in the internment camps — which the Government call “welfare villages” — has been severely restricted since Sunday, preventing the administration of basic care.

Ban Ki Moon, the UN Secretary-General, is due to travel in Sri Lanka on Friday to offer help to rebuild the ravaged northeast of the country and urge the Government to reach out to the Tamil population.

“These people have endured one of the cruellest military sieges of modern times — daily shelling over several months,” an international aid worker said. “They need urgent help.”

There are fears that the camp populations — especially children — will be hit by contagious diseases. Chickenpox, hepatitis A and dysentery outbreaks have been reported. Medical facilities are said to be woefully inadequate.

There are also concerns that the suffering will radicalise previously moderate Tamils, especially amongst the community’s international diaspora, which had been a key source of funding for the Tigers.

Most Sri Lankans are delighted by the defeat of the Tigers, a terrorist force that fought for 26 years for an independent Tamil homeland, propagating a war that left at least 70,000 dead. Many Tamils were against the rebels after they recruited child soldiers and terrorised their own people.

There were doubts over the sincerity of President Rajapakse’s pledge to build bridges between the Sinhalese and Tamil minority. He has seldom brooked dissent, his opponents say.

The Government is worried over the security situation, and is urgently trying to screen any escaped Tamil Tiger fighters from innocent civilians.

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Editor: "Badrinath" said...

You expect a political solution, but they won't even let the ICRC come to feed your refuges.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

I think they will be going through the camps with Karuna's people to identify LTTE sympathizers and execute them. They don't want ICRC around when that happens. This is their fair solution for the war.

Veeran said...

[It would be impossible to be shot multiple times in the forehead in combat.
]

Badri,

Wat do u think of Charles Anthony Smiling on a photo taken by SLA ?

Will any enemy combatant will be posing & smiling for the Sinhalese ?

This Photo is what is making everything hazy.

Is it true that Semi nude Prabha body had some injury marks ?

Can u pls clarify on that ?

Laptop Kumara Ramawickrama said...

Let us ASSUME that VP and all other leaders are killed. What TNA and tamil people should do now? Before 1987, India was with tamil people. After JR's cunning work, all went wrong. Now, India (Congress) settled the revenge for Rajiv with the killing or maiming of 50,000 Vanni civilians. Now, only option for tamil people and TNA is to lobby the Indian Govt through DMK for a federal solution first. DMK should also lobby the Central Govt to remove the malayali advisors (Narayanan, Menon etc..). If these malayalis are not removed from the advisor positions, no political solution would be possible for tamil people as these malayalis are in the GOSL payroll. Even to get Tamil Eeelam, India should approve. Because, during this Vanni massacre, India blocked UN, US and all other IC from interfering and save the tamil people.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

The photo of Charles Anthony may be coincidence. I just find it odd that the face is exactly matching the death photo, which means it is a very, very recent photo. The fact that the shirt was the same also made it odd. And the fact that the photo turned up only the day he died. The shirt also looks too clean, but then I suspect they were cheated and told they were safe and advised to shave, wear fresh clothes for photo purposes.

As far as the smile, in that situation, if you think you are meeting them to negotiate an end to the conflict, you will be polite, shake their hand, smile to them. At that point you don't know you are going to be tortured and killed.

Again the photo is not really so important. I feel the circumstances surrounding the deaths are more relevant. The head wounds, the calls to ICRC to negotiate surrender, the Sri Lanka foreign minister confirming he gave advice how to surrender to the army.

Veeran said...

Laptop,

Tamils are not in strong position now to demand anything from india before the relationship improves.

So Tamils must select a leader who is democratic & friendly to India now. Then we can raise the bogey of china taking over srilanka which will make india to be again friendly with tamils.

Before that all tamils must be united as a single one.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

Just one point that someone mentioned in the last discussion at the very end that didn't get discussed. That is the possibility Prabhakaran had taken cyanide and later when the Sri Lankan army found his body, they shot his body to make up a story of him running away and being gunned down to discredit him. It's a possibility, though I still consider a betrayal as the likely answer.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

["Is it true that Semi nude Prabha body had some injury marks ?"]

They had covered the body with thick mud. You could clearly see the finger marks where the mud had been spread. It wasn't just from dragging the body. In some places they had even placed a handful of mud packed over a particular spot. What was underneath that no one knows. But through the mud I could make out two spots that looked like blackened, possibly burn marks from torture.

Its impossible to really say for certain, because the mud made things not so clear.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

All wounded civilians killed?


"As the military encircled the rebels and pushed ahead with the final battle last week, government doctors reported about 1,000 wounded civilians were trapped in a makeshift hospital and the surrounding area with little food and no medical care.

Military spokesman Brig. Udaya Nanayakkara said troops rescued more than 60,000 civilians caught in the fighting in the final days of the war. He said soldiers found several wounded people when they captured the area, but no one was in the hospital."

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

Red cross workers also killed?

"Castella said 19 local Red Cross workers along with their families were missing."

Veeran said...

[Castella said 19 local Red Cross workers along with their families were missing]

Barbarians need to be nuked or sprinkled a chemical bomb atleast

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

Anyone want to give a logical explanation why Prabhakaran's body was found with no shoes, no watch, and no bullet proof vest? Is that how you would make an assault to break free? Plus why was his gun completely rusted?

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

Seven more leaders bodies identified, all with bullet shots to the head:

http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20090520_02

Can you tell me this wasn't an execution?

SuthaS said...

புலிகள் தரப்புக்கு மிக நெருக்கமான சிலரோ, ''சார்லஸ் ஆண்டனி மக்களோடு மக்களாக முள்ளிவாய்க்காலில் மாட்டிக் கொண்டார். கடைசி கணத்தில்கூட மக்களைவிட்டு அவர் வெளியேறி இருக்கலாம். ஆனால், அதை விரும்பாமல் மக்களுடனேயே தங்கி விட்டார். அதில் அவர் கொல்லப்பட்டிருக்கவும் வாய்ப்பிருக்கிறது. ராணுவம் வெளியிட்டிருப்பது சார்லஸின் படமே இல்லை. ஆனால், ஏதாவது ஜோடனை வேலைகளைச் செய்து போலியான டி.என்.ஏ. ரிசல்ட்டை சிங்கள ராணுவம் வெளியிடக்கூடும். அப்படி வெளியிட்டால், அதனைப் பொய் என நிரூபிக்கும் வகையில் பிரபாகரனின் மரபணு குறித்த ஆதாரங்களை அவருடைய வாரிசுகள் மூலமாக நாங்கள் வெளியிடச் செய்வோம். ஆனால், பிரபாகரன் கொல்லப்பட்டு விட்டதாகத் தவறான தகவல்களைப் பரப்பி அவரின் இருப்பிடத்தை அறியப் பார்க்கிறது ராணுவம். அதே போல, இலங்கை மக்களை குஷிப்படுத்தி, அங்கு நடக்கும் தேர்தலிலும் வெற்றி பெறப் பார்க்கிறார் ராஜபக்ஷே. பிரபாகரனும் பொட்டு அம்மான் உள்ளிட்ட முக்கியத் தளபதிகளும் முல்லைத்தீவுக்கு அருகே இருக்கும் கஞ்சிகுடிச்சாறு காட்டுக்குள் தப்பிச் சென்றுவிட்டார்கள். சிங்கள ராணுவத்துக்கு ஈழத்தின் பல பகுதிகள் எப்படி இருக்குமென்றே தெரியாது. கஞ்சிகுடிச்சாறு காட்டுப் பகுதியை இது நாள் வரை சிங்கள ராணுவம் பார்த்ததே கிடையாது. ராணுவம் நெருங்க முடியாதபடி சகலவிதமான பாதுகாப்புகளுடன் புலிகள் தங்குவதற்கான ஏற்பாட்டை கர்ணல் ராம் தலைமையிலான போராளிகள் ஏற்கெனவே செய்திருக்கிறார்கள்.

இதற்கிடையில், தனக்கு முடிவு ஏற்பட்டாலும் சுதந்திரத்துக்கான முயற்சிகள் கொஞ்சமும் குறைந்துவிடக் கூடாது என்பதற்காக முல்லைத்தீவு பிடிபட்டபோதே, நானூறு பேர் அடங்கிய பல குழுக்களைப் பிரித்து இலங்கையின் பல பகுதிகளிலும் ஊடுருவச் செய்திருக்கிறார் தலைவர் பிரபாகரன். புலிகளின் பலம் பொருந்திய சிறுத்தைப் படையணியைச் சேர்ந்த மூவாயிரத்துக்கும் மேற்பட்ட புலிகள், இப்போது வரைக்கும் கெரில்லா போரில் குதிக்கவில்லை. அதனால் ஈழத்துக்கான போராட்டங்கள் அவ்வளவு சீக்கிரத்தில் வடிந்து போய் விடாது!'' எனச் சொல்கிறார்கள்.

from vikatan

For said...

It probably was an execution! your point is?

Dark Knight said...

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

>>>Anyone want to give a logical explanation why Prabhakaran's body was found with no shoes, no watch, and no bullet proof vest?

Since you seem to talk SOME sense now, here's a POSSIBLE answer: signs of identification such as watches might have been removed from the corpse which was already bloated, before they get hard to remove. As for shoes, it's hard to believe that you never saw so far that many of the published combatant photos almost always have their shoes removed. The later it is, the harder to remove shoes. Do you think they'd just bury Prabha as they found him without any investigation?

Gun baffles me too, whatever version of story is true. Rust looks deep, and only thing I can think of is that piraba didn't take care of it for some time because he had much worse worries.

Indian said...

SuthaS,
Vikatan lost whatever credibility they had when they posted a photoshopped version of this

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Images/Special2/Iskras/Iskra-Aircraft-13.jpg

as the TAF.In addition they had also posted picture of a Mig21 Bison.They had very painstakenly written Tamileezham airforce blah blah blah and all alongs its fuselage.But they forgot to erase the serial number of the fighter,it's still doing duty elsewhere.

I think they committed this harakiri around their March first week edition.Article was written by Thirumavelan,he had eloquently waxed on that article about TAF.

I sent them a mail with this info,as expected they didnt reply.

In addition in last week's article same Thirumavelan had finished the article with following caption
""கூப்பிடு தூர‌த்தில் ஆறு கோடி த‌மிழ் ம‌க்க‌ள் இருக்கும் போது இங்கே த‌மிழர்க‌ளை ஒன்றும் செய்ய‌ முடியாது" என்று வ‌வுனியாவில் முழ‌ங்கினார் அமிர்த‌லிங்க‌ம்"
But he conveniently forgot how Amirthalingam met his end and who made him meet his makers.

You might want to believe what Vikatan says,but not all are **** like that

Dark Knight said...

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

>>> Seven more leaders bodies identified, all with bullet shots to the head:

Not so sure. Some could be just any shrapnel wounds and some of the faces look rather deformed. All in all, doesn't look much different from the combatant bodies shown so far alone these three years. All of them were not died by "bullet shots to the head" are they?

Your new stand looks much rational, but I won't rule out switching back to the original TamilNet mode at any half-decent "evidence" of Prabha living. If you were honest, it shouldn't have this long to have the same criticism about TamilNet that it has been lying to you.

After all, you should admit that the "moda sinhalese" in DW can publicly question DW when they think he is wrong.

Indian said...

Bhadri,
Shoes and watch could have been removed as its very difficult to remove them from a corpse.If you remember seeing the numerous combat deceased pics released earlier in this war,almost all the Tiger cadres were barefooted.
DW was even poking fun at this.But the fact is they are removed as soon as they get the corpse

ashokkumar2103 said...

Indian,

Vikadan had published those visuals just as back ground pictures for the story. I don't think they tried to mislead the readers as the 'real LTTE aircrafts'. It is just a masala added to the text. Anybody can make out that it was not real.

Dark Knight said...

Indian,

"Vikatan" literally means "tomfoolery" in Sinhala.

:)

Indian said...

Ashok,
Really?Is that what they mentioned there?They did it cleverly,isnt it.I read that article personally,so please dont BS with me.

They photoshopped it so that there was a large Tiger hoarding on the background.They edited out the buildings portion and after doing all this,they made it look a bit hazy.Now dont tell they were just USING it for visual.

Why would anyone want to write "Thamizh Eezham" or emboss Tiger logo on the fuselage if they wanted to just use it as "VISUAL".Thirumavelan thought he could hoodwink,people are not ignorants as envisaged by him.

And what about the Amirthalingam quotes he used last week?I commented on that as well - I know no reply will be forthcoming on this blog for that.

PS:By the way,you can address me as Jeyam

Peter said...

Again, even today, everyone is deviating from the main story.

Assume LTTE is finished. Concentrate on what can be done for the 300, 000 people who are detained at the camps, without access to ICRC.

As for VP story (I'm guilty of harping on about it as well), I think the person on first video and latest 'nude' photos is the same. I also think that the second video where his ears and head are covered with a handkerchief is a mask.

Shoes are the first to be removed from corpse because feet swell and rot faster inside them.

VP only wore uniform and watch at photo-ops.

Mud rubbed on the latest photos is to cover blisters that would be leaking. Since body has been in the May heat of Mullaitheevu it is most likely to have leaked. They had washed it and rubbed mud to stop fresh leaks.

FreedomFighter said...

UN backs calls for Sri Lanka war crimes probe (ABC)

Updated 6 minutes ago

International calls for a full investigation into allegations of war crimes in Sri Lanka have been backed up by the UN Secretary General, Ban Ki Moon.

Large numbers of civilians are thought to have been killed during the final months of the military offensive against the Tamil Tigers. Hundreds of thousands more are being held in high security camps with insufficient food, water and medical facilities.

ashokkumar2103 said...

Jeyam,

I am reading Vigadan from my childhood. I have lot of respect to their editorial policy. Even I was surprised when they took a radical pro LTTE stand and it would have been much more for people with your point of you.

இன்று பாதகாப்பு அமைச்சின் இணையத்தளம் கொல்லப்பட்ட பிரபாகரனுடையது என்று சொல்லப்படும் சில புகைப்படங்களை வெளியிட்டுள்ளது.

பிரபாகரன் சுட்டுக் கொல்லப்பட்ட இந்தப் படங்களைப் பார்த்ததும் இது பிரபாகரன் அல்ல. பிரபாகரனை எனக்கு நன்றாகத் தெரியும் என 1987இல் இந்திய அமைதிப்படையின் முதலாவது தளபதியாப் பணியாற்றிய லெப்டினன்ட் ஜெனரல் ஹர்கிரத் சிங் தெரிவித்துள்ளதாக சி.என்.என்.ஐபி.என். இணையத்தளத்தின் செய்தியாளர் திவ்யா ஐயர் தெரிவித்துள்ளார்.

லெப்டினன்ட் ஜெனரல் ஹர்கிரத் சிங் அக்காலப்பகுதியில் தனது எதிரியை மிக நெருக்கமாகவே இருந்து அவதானித்தவர் என்று குறிப்பிட்டுள்ள திவ்யா ஐயர் பிரபாகரன் சயனைட் விழுங்காததை நம்பக் கடினமாகவே இருக்கிறது என்றும், விடுதலைப் புலி உறுப்பினர் எவரையாவது நாம் கைது செய்யும் போது அவர் உடனடியாகவே சயனைட் விழுங்கி விடுவார் என்றும், அவர்களைக் கைது செய்யும் போது எங்களுடைய முதல் வேலை அவர்கள் சயனைட் விழுங்காதவாறு அவர்களுடைய கைகளைப் பிடித்துக் கொள்வது தான் என்றும் ஹர்கிரத் சிங் தெரிவித்ததாக திவ்யா ஐயர் குறிப்பிட்டுள்ளார்.

Peter said...

They probably won't release names of Balakumar and Col. Lawrence as they were both previously reported as seriously injured.

Some of the lesser known injured/long-term differently-able cadres will be paraded to maintain the 'war on terror' initiative.

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Interestingly, international media is positive today. Demonstrations are ongoing; media is unable to spin it as "pro-Tiger protesters".

Challenge now is to translate positive media reports into policy initiatives of Western governments.

Diaspora and TN Tamils must try level best to free people from the internment camps.

First and foremost should be UNHCR taking responsibility for the camps, followed by urgent and orderly return of people to their own villages.

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Some may be inclined to resign that we are not in a position of power to demand anything.

Yes, we can't demand anything from the Sinhala state.

But, abroad, with our adopted governments, now that there isn't a "terrorist" group, we have the high-ground to demand respect for people's rights.

Speaking on behalf of Tamils can no longer be dismissed by Colombo as "appeasement of terrorists".

Indian said...

Ashok,
I think Vikatan has been a part of most of the TN homes.Same with me too.

They started leaning more and more toward's Tiger's and if I am correct,the man ALWAYS behind those article's has been Thirumavelan.Maybe he is a Tiger sympathizer,but he cant bring in his personal views to his profession.Really have no clue how the editorial board publishes the article. For reason's known only to them the group itself has leaned towards the Tiger's.

It all started when Vikatan published an article titled "புலிக‌ளின் ப‌டைய‌ணிக‌ள்" and listed out in detail about various regiment's and their corresponding Colonel's.I think it was around Sep \ Oct 2008.Infact my imagination about the Tiger cub was based on Thirumavelan's bloatings,but CA was nothing like what was described.

I have no problem with what they do,but they could do well if they report it with consience as is necessary for any Journal.I am sure Thirumavelan would still continue with his rhetoric,just observe how much times he uses சொல்கிறார்க‌"ளாம்" , செய்கிறார்க‌"ளாம்" etc.A magazine of Vikatan's repute,cannot publicise such speculative reports on sensitive issue's like this.Can understand if it comes from any yellow journal but not from Vikatan.

Anycase,Vikatan is no longer the magazine it used to be and the standard can go only one way with people like Thirumavelan on its payroll.

No idea on Harkirat Singh's views.I think the confirmation by a legitimate Government will hold more sway than those of any individuals.

ashokkumar2103 said...

Vaiko's interview on ABTC:

Nadesan, Pulithevan, CA and Ramesh went for talks on invitation. They went with fight flag in a van. But were killed.

Nadesan was tortured and killed to get information about Prabhakaran.

Prabhakaran is alive.

Karuna is identifying Tigers and their families.

I talked to him on 13th night.

Indian said...

I dont know how the GOI would react,if someone said "I spoke to Maulana Mazood Azhar 10 days back;He is alive in Balochistan" ...It really really beats me.

Leave out the Tamil angle \ oppression whatever.The fact is it can happen only in our country that people openly admit having phone contacts with leader's of proscribed organisation and still go scotfree.

This another so called Father Jegath Kaspar is another guy who irritates no end.But when people have travelled on kalla thoni's and have boasted about it,I think this is nothing.

But tell me honestly Ashok,do you think deceiving and killing is such a crime - If the SLA did that to the Tiger's I would say that they have paid them back in their own coin.

-Using Kaasi Anandan(Why is he still in India and why cant we deport him)to deceit Rajiv
-Using Yogeshwaran to deceit Amirthalingam

The list is endless,so why the cry now?

Upul said...

Sorry to diverge,

makkal tv did an analysis on the face.
http://www.tamilwin.com/view.php?2aSWnBe0dZj0A0ecGG7N3b4j9EY4d3g2h2cc2DpY2d436QV3b02ZLu2e

I am convinced of peter's theory now, face doesn't appear to transition to the ear therefore there is a mask in place. You can see the ear, but its much much darker. The face shown in the semi nude bears no resemblance to the "face mask"

info said...

LTTE Leader must of made a video or something...

Veeran said...

Vikatan group is from a Brahmin family yet they are forced to toe the Puligal line coz of the circulation issues with Kumudam.

When Kumudam & its sister Publications are nonstop supporting Eelam & the response is good, Naturally Vikatan has to shed its inhibitions abt tigers & embrace them.


It seemed like the Admk & DMK fight as to who is the friend of Tigers.

Not a Single incident for last three days can be considered to be positive for tamils & it looks more & more bleak.

ashokkumar2103 said...

சென்னை: இலங்கையில் மரபணுச் சோதனை எனப்படும் டிஎன்ஏ டெஸ்ட்டிங் மற்றும் மேப்பிங் செய்வதற்காக அடிப்படை வசதிகள் இருப்பதாகத் தெரியவில்லை என இந்திய தடயவியல் துறை நிபுணர் பேராசிரியர் பி. சந்திரசேகரன் தெரிவித்துள்ளார்.

டாக்டர் சந்திரசேகரன் தமிழ்நாடு தடயவியல் அறிவியல் துறை இயக்குநராக இருந்தவர். சென்னைப் பல்கலைக்கழகம் உள்ளிட்ட பல்வேறு கல்வி அமைப்புகளில் முக்கியப் பதவிகளை வகித்தவர்.

ராஜீவ் காந்தி கொலை வழக்கில் சிபிஐ[^] விசாரணைக்கு பேருதவியாக இருந்தவர். இவர் தான் சிதைந்து போன தணு, சிவராசன் ஆகியோரின் உடல்களை அடையாளம் காண உதவினார்.

இந் நிலையில் பிரபாகரன் இறந்ததாக ராணுவம் அறிவித்த சில மணி நேரங்களிலேயே அவரது டிஎன்ஏ பரிசோதனை செய்யப்பட்டு முடிவுகள் வந்துவிட்டதாகவும், அவரது மகன் சார்லஸ் ஆண்டனியின் டிஎன்ஏ சோதனையும் முடிந்துவிட்டதாகக் கூறியுள்ளது இலங்கை ராணுவம்.

இதுகுறித்து பெங்களூரில் உள்ள சந்திரசேகரனை தட்ஸ்தமிழுக்காக தொடர்பு கொண்டோம். அவரது பேட்டி:

கேள்வி: உடனடி டிஎன்ஏ சோதனை செய்வதற்கான நவீன வசதிகள் இலங்கையில் உள்ளதா?

பதில்: எனக்குத் தெரிந்து 2008 வரை அங்கே அப்படிப்பட்ட வசதிகள் இருந்ததாக நினைவில்ல்லை. இலங்கை நீதிபதிகள் சமீபத்தில் பெங்களூர் வந்திருந்தனர். அவர்களுக்கு நாங்கள்தான் தடயவியல் மற்றும் டிஎன்ஏ சோதனைகள் குறித்த பயிற்சி மற்றும் விளக்கங்களை அளித்தோம். அதன்பிறகு அங்கே டிஎன்ஏ சோதனைக்கான வசதிகள் வந்திருக்குமா என்பது தெரியவில்லை.

அப்படியே இருந்தாலும், இரண்டு மணி நேரத்திலெல்லாம் டிஎன்ஏ சோதனையை நடத்தி முடிப்பதாகச் சொல்வதென்றால்... என்ன விளையாடுகிறார்களா!. இதென்ன ரத்த, சிறுநீர்ப் பரிசோதனையா...!. பிரபாகரன் உடல் என்று கண்டெடுத்ததாக இவர்கள் காட்டுவது வடக்கு இலங்கையில். கொழும்பிலிருந்து ஃபோரன்ஸிக் லேப்பை அங்கே நகர்த்திக் கொண்டு போய் டெஸ்ட் செய்தோம் என்று சொல்ல வருகிறார்களா...!!.

அடுத்து, டிஎன்ஏ டெஸ்ட் என்பதே லேசுபட்ட காரியமல்ல. இறந்த ஒருவரது ரத்தத்திலிருந்து டிஎன்ஏ பார்க்க முடியாது. உடலின் திசுக்களை எடுத்து தான் சோதிக்க வேண்டும். அதன் பிறகும் கூட நேரடியான முடிவுகள் கிடைக்காது. 'நான்தான் பிரபாகரன்' மரபணு என்று வந்து அது சொல்லிவிடாது. ஒரு பார்கோட் (bar code) மாதிரிதான் உங்களுக்கு ரிசல்ட் கிடைக்கும். இந்த ரிசல்டை வைத்தும் பிரபாகரன் மரபணு இதுதான் என்றும் கூற முடியாது. அதனுடன் ஒப்பிட, பிரபாகரன் உயிரோடு இருந்தபோது எடுக்கப்பட்ட ரத்த மாதிரிகள, திசுக்களில் பெறப்பட்ட டிஎன்ஏ சோதனை முடிவுகள் இருக்க வேண்டும்.

இலங்கையிடம் அப்படி ஏதாவது இருக்கிறதா... பிரபாகரன் உயிருடன் இருந்தபோது ராணுவத்தினர் அவரிடம் இருந்து ரத்த, திசு மாதிரிகளை வாங்கி வைத்திருக்கிறார்களா?...

கேள்வி: சார்லஸ் மற்றும் பிரபாகரன் மரபணுக்கள் ஒத்துப் போவதாகச் சொல்கிறார்களே?

பதில்: பிரபாகரன் மகன் சார்லஸ் உடல் கண்டுபிடிக்கப்பட்டதாக கூறப்பட்ட ஒரு நாள் கழித்தே பிரபாகரன் உடலைக் காட்டினார்கள். இதில் டிஎன்ஏ சோதனை நடத்துவது எப்படி சாத்தியம்?. முட்டாள்தனமான வாதம் இது.

பிரபாகரன் கொல்லப்பட்டார் என்பதை நிரூபிக்க முயலும் இலங்கை ராணுவம் அதற்காக விஞ்ஞானப்பூர்வ வழிகளை கேலிக்குள்ளாக்குவது போல் பேசி வருவதாகவே எனக்குப் படுகிறது.

To be continued

ashokkumar2103 said...

கேள்வி: ராணுவம் காட்டியிருப்பது பிரபாகரன் உடல் இல்லை என்று கூறப்படுகிறதே...

பதில்: இதில் சந்தேகங்கள் வருவது இயல்புதான். காரணம், பிரபாகரன் இறந்துவிட்டார் என்பது உண்மையென்றால் அதற்கு 3 வழிகள்தான் உள்ளன. ஒன்று அவர் சயனைடு சாப்பிட்டு இறந்திருக்க வேண்டும். அப்படியென்றால் அதனால் ஏற்பட்ட அறிகுறிகள் காயங்கள் வாய், நாக்கு, முகத்தில் இருந்திருக்கும். ராணுவம் காட்டிய படத்தில் அப்படி எதுவுமே இல்லை.

அடுத்து பிரபாகரன் எப்போதும் பிஸ்டல் வைத்திருப்பவர். தன்னைத் தானே சுட்டுக் கொண்டார் என்றால், அதற்கான சரியான காயங்கள் இருக்க வேண்டும். தலைப் பகுதியில் சுட்டுக் கொண்டிருந்தால் முழுமையாக உருமாறியிருந்திருக்கும். அதற்கும் வாய்ப்பில்லை.

மூன்றாவது சாத்தியம், ராணுவத்தால் சுடப்பட்டு இறந்திருக்கலாம். ராணுவம் அப்படித்தான் கூறுகிறது. டபுள் பேரல் கன் மூலம் சுட்டுக் கொன்றதாக சொல்கிறார்கள். அப்படிச் செய்திருந்தால் தலைப்பகுதி மட்டும் காயமடைந்தும், மற்ற பகுதிகளில் சின்ன சுருக்கமோ, கரும் திட்டுக்களோ கூட இல்லாமல் இத்தனை தெளிவாக இருக்கவும் வாய்ப்பே இல்லை.

சுட்டபோது பாதி தலை கழண்டு விடும், ஆனால் முகம் அப்படியே இருக்கும் என்பதை யாராவது நம்புவார்களா...

ஏற்கனவே இறந்தவரை சுட்டிருக்கலாம்...:

நான்காவது சாத்தியக்கூறு ஒன்றும் உள்ளது... அதாவது, ஏற்கெனவே இறந்துவிட்ட உடலில் சுட்டுவிடடு, தாங்கள் கொன்றுவிட்டதாகக் கூறுவது. ராணுவம்[^] அதைத்தான் செய்கிறதா என்று தெரியவில்லை.

கேள்வி: கருணா, தயா போன்றவர்கள் அடையாளம் காட்டியுள்ளார்களே...?

பதில்: அது ஒரு சடங்கு. இறந்தவர் உடலை அவருக்குத் தெரிந்தவர்களை வைத்து அடையாளம் காட்டுவது ஒரு நடைமுறை. ஆனால் அதற்கு பிரபாகரன் உடல் என்று காட்டப்பட்டதன் உடைகளைக் களைந்து சேறு பூசி காட்ட வேண்டிய அவசியமென்ன... பிரபாகரன் உடலில் உள்ள மச்சங்கள் அவர் மனைவிக்குத்தான் தெரியும். கருணாவுக்கும் தயாவுக்கும் என்ன தெரியும் என்று நிர்வாணப்படுத்திக் காட்டுகிறார்கள்?. இது முழுக்க முழுக்க நாகரிகமற்ற, அபத்தமான செயல்.

கேள்வி: பிரபாகரன் உடலை என்ன செய்வார்கள்?

பதில்: பிரபாகரன் நல்லவரா கெட்டவரா என்ற விவாதத்தை விடுத்துப் பாருங்கள். 30 ஆண்டுகள் உலகின் கவனத்தைத் தன் மீது திருப்பி வைத்திருந்தவர் பிரபாகரன். அவரது உடல் என்று ஒன்றைக் காட்டும் ராணுவத்தினருக்கு, அது பிரபாகரனுடையதுதான் என்பதை அழுத்தமாக நிரூபித்துக் காட்ட வேண்டிய பொறுப்பு உள்ளது.

அதிலும், ஜனநாயக நாடு, தமிழர்களுக்கு சம உரிமை அளிக்கும் நாடு என இலங்கையை அறிவித்துள்ள ராஜபக்சே, பிரபாகரன் மரணத்தை உரிய விஞ்ஞான முறைப்படி உறுதிப்படுத்த வேண்டும்.

அடுத்து அவரது உடலை அப்படியே பாதுகாத்து வைத்திருக்க வேண்டும். பிரபாகரனின் குடும்பத்தினர் அந்த உடலை எப்போது கேட்டாலும் கொடுக்க வேண்டிய கடமை, பொறுப்பு இலங்கைக்கு உள்ளது. போரில் பிடிபட்ட பிணங்களைக் கூட சர்வதேச சட்டப்படி அவர்களது குடும்பத்தினர் இறுதிக் கடன் செய்ய வசதியாக ஒப்படைக்க வேண்டும்.

எனவே பிரபாகரன் உடல் என்று இவர்கள் காட்டுவதை, அந்த மரணம்[^] உறுதியாகும் வரை வைத்திருந்து பின்னர், அவர்கள் குடும்பத்தினரிடம் ஒப்படைக்க வேண்டும் என்றார் பேராசிரியர் சந்திரசேகரன்.

சென்னையில் டிஎன்ஏ சோதனை நடத்த திட்டம்?:

இந் நிலையில் அது பிரபாகரன் உடல்தானா என்பதை உறுதி செய்ய சென்னையில் டிஎன்ஏ சோதனை செய்ய இலங்கை[^] அரசு முடிவு செய்திருப்பதாகவும் ஒரு தகவல் தெரிவிக்கிறது.

Veeran said...

Upul,

[makkal tv did an analysis on the face.
http://www.tamilwin.com/view.php?2aSWnBe0dZj0A0ecGG7N3b4j9EY4d3g2h2cc2DpY2d436QV3b02ZLu2e
]

Makkal TV is run by PMK Party of Ramadoss & it has leased one of its Transpoder to NTT Tv of Eelam.

So they are doing a Favor Commercially in filling up the coffers & also diverting the Debacle faced by their own party in the Elections.

MK Narayanan, National Security Advisor of India said in clear terms that Prabha is Dead.

Indian said...

Ashok,
Are those from Vikatan?

Veeran,
You have a point there.

But think in this angle.If VP and his fellow leader's were deceited and killed,where does the necessity arise to do DNA testing.If they were cajoled into surrendering and then executed,there is no need at all for DNA testing,isnt it.

That could be a possible reason why GoSL boldly announced and showed the video's.

Indian said...

Makkal TV even glorified Veerappan.They even ran a serial showing him as a Robinhood.

People know were to keep that channel and its Jackass owner's.Maybe they should first start doing analysis on how EVM's can be tampered,LOL

Veeran said...

[But think in this angle.If VP and his fellow leader's were deceited and killed,where does the necessity arise to do DNA testing. ]

That is why i say that there are more questions to be answered.

Mahinda could not go to any International summits for last 6 months yet he came abruptly in the middle of the Summit from Jordan on 16th.

Elections Results in India came on May 16th & Nadesan offer to surrender on 16th.

Prabha body could have been made to Bloat in water for few hours by SLA & then shown as it it was accidental discovery.

There is no sign of Shoot out where Prabha was found to be Dead.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

All of the dead bodies shown till now haven't really looked like the people who died. Deepan matched the most, but his body looked much younger and skin was smooth. Nadesan didn't look anything like himself. This is just the nature of dead bodies. All the past people claimed to have been killed have been confirmed killed. Every time we all denied it, we were later proven wrong.

Do you really think Prabhakaran could have surrendered his son to the Sri Lankan army and then still continued with a freedom struggle? There is no way that the plan was designed like that, "Lets surrender my son to them, and then me, soosai, and pottu amman will escape through the lagoon to continue the battle." Once the son is in their control, the freedom struggle is over. You basically have to admit defeat at that point, because you can't do anything without them torturing and killing that person.

As far as Vaiko's wordings, saying they had been "invited for talks", thats just a lie to cover the real situation. They were trying to surrender. The reporters they spoke with the night before confirm this. The Norway minister confirms this. The Sri Lankan foreign minister confirms this. The ICRC confirms this. And even Tamilnet confirmed it. I'm not criticizing them for wanting to live. But hiding the realities of what happened doesn't help anyone.

It wasn't just a matter of having been "requested" to come for talks. They had been asking to be able to surrender to the ICRC, they were told to surrender to the 58th division instead. They went to surrender, and were murdered, probably after being tortured. It's a terrible outcome, especially since most were from non-combatant departments.

But I don't see a lot of credibility in Vaiko just from the fact that he tries to shield the truth about the surrender and paint it as something better. From that point you already have dishonesty in his words, so I can't take what he says as greater evidence than seeing an apparent body of Prabhakaran as the Sri Lankan army has shown. The key to it all in my view is the fact that Charles Anthony went to surrender. That fact, to me, makes it completely unlikely that there was a master plan to escape and restart the war with Charles Anthony still in their custody.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

["Not a Single incident for last three days can be considered to be positive for tamils & it looks more & more bleak."]

In fact the Sri Lankan government has become more bold. Now they have kicked out ICRC from the IDP camps, the last witness available.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

["But think in this angle.If VP and his fellow leader's were deceited and killed,where does the necessity arise to do DNA testing.I"]

That also explains how they got their DNA tests in an amazing few hours. They didn't need to do real DNA test because they talked with him and interrogated him.

I'm sure after they tested the DNA just to have a sample in case needed for future.

Indian said...

Exactly Bhadri.No offense meant to you,but you suddenly sound more like Mahen of ellalanforce blog.I am sorry if it offended you,but I mentioned what I observed.

I mentioned similar point about CA here on this very same blog,but people started bloating about he is a ordinary cadre and how he has no special privileges.Common its basic paternal instinct.

I would say under current circumstances, its in better interest for VP's cult image that the actual incidents dont come to light.All indications now are that he only PREACHED and when it came to his own,he chose to throw away the "Kuppi" and 2 at that

Veeran said...

[In fact the Sri Lankan government has become more bold. Now they have kicked out ICRC from the IDP camps, the last witness available.
]

When Hyenas taste Blood, they will not stop & would go further extreme.

They were able to successfully stop ICRC from shipping in food for 15 days & then they killed all local icrc workers inside & have now banished even ICRC from the IDP camps.

The Protests of Tamils in west should have started when all other NGOs were banished from Wanni areas.

Indian said...

Yes they might have done it at later stages.There were rumour's they were sent to RAW.

On 16th it was made clear that MR was cutting short his trip.My guess is,it was all over on 15th late nite or 16th early morning - this outcome was never dependent on Indian election results.The writing was there on the wall with the debacle that claimed Theepan and other's.

Come to think of it,its quite possible that info on Theepan and entire second rung's gathering also could have been leaked to SLA - it all adds up so nicely now.

ashokkumar2103 said...

டிஎன்ஏ டெஸ்ட்… அப்படீன்னா? அந்த வசதி இலங்கையில் இருக்கா?

தலைவர் பிரபாகரன் குறித்த வதந்திகளூடே இப்போது அதிகம் அலசப்படும் விஷயமாக இருப்பது டிஎன்ஏ டெஸ்ட் எனப்படும் மரபணுச் சோசதனை முடிவுகள்…
அது என்ன மரபணுச் சோதனை?

இறந்து போன ஒரு நபரை யாராலும் அடையாளம் காட்ட முடியவில்லை என்றால், அப்போது அவரது டிஎன்ஏ எனப்படும் மரபணுக்களையும், அவரது ரத்த சொந்தங்களின் மரபணுக்களையும் ஆராய்ந்து பார்த்து, அவற்றின் ஒற்றுமைகளின் அடிப்படையில் அடையாளம் காட்டுவார்கள். இதற்குப் பெயர்தான் டிஎன்ஏ சோதனை முறை.

இந்தச் சோதனையைச் செய்வது அத்தனை கடினமா… எந்தெந்த முறையில் இந்த சோதனை மேற்கொள்ளப்படுகிறது?

டிஎன்ஏ செய்யப்படுவது அத்தனை எளிதான காரியமல்ல. முதலில் இறந்தவர் உடலிலிருந்து கொஞ்சம் திசுக்கள், எலும்பு மாதிரிகளை இந்த சோதனைக்கு சேகரிக்க வேண்டும். பின்னர் அவரது வாரிசு உள்ளிட்ட ரத்த பந்தங்களின் ரத்த அல்லது திசுக்களின் மாதிரியைச் சேகரிக்க வேண்டும். அவற்றில் கண்டுபிடிக்கப்படும் மரபணுக்களை வைத்து இறந்தவர், இன்னாருக்கு தொடர்புடையவராக இருக்கிறார் என்ற தகவலைச் சொல்ல முடியும்.

இதுகுறித்து சென்னை தடவியல் அறிவியல் மைய இயக்குநர் விஜயகுமார் கூறியதாவது:

“பொதுவாக ஒருவரது உடலில் 23 ஜோடி குரோமோசோம்கள் உள்ளன. இவற்றில் 22 ஆட்டோசோம்கள் எனப்படுபவை. மீதி ஒரு ஜோடி, பாலினத்தை தீர்மானிப்பவை. தாய் மற்றும் தந்தையர் இருவரது குரோமோசோம்களும் 50:50 என்ற விகிதத்தில் ஒருவரது உடலில் அமைந்திருக்கும்.

இவை எக்ஸ் மற்றும் ஒய் என வகைப்படுத்தப்படுகின்றன. இதில் ஒருவேளை தாயின் மாதிரிகள் கிடைக்காமல் போனால், தந்தையின் திசு மாதிரிகளைக் கொண்டும் ஆய்வு நடத்தி ஒய் குரோமோசோம்களின் ஒத்திசைவைப் பொறுத்து முடிவு காண முடியும்.

ஆனால் இதையெல்லாம் செய்து முடிக்க 2 மணிநேரமல்ல… 20 மணி நேரம் இருந்தால்கூட போதாது. அதிலும் இந்த ஒய் குரோமோசோம் சோதனை முறை மிக மிக அரிதாகவே கையாளப்பட்டுள்ளது கடினமானதும் கூட!”

இந்தியாவின் செல்லுலர் மற்றும் மாலிக்யூலர் பயாலஜி மையத்தின் லால்ஜி சிங் என்ன கூறுகிறார் என்று பாருங்கள்:

‘தந்தை - மகன் செல்களில் உள்ள ஒய் குரோமோசோம்களை வைத்து ஆய்வு நடத்தி முடிவுகளைச் சொல்வது அசாதாரண விஷயம். மருத்துவ விஞ்ஞானத்தில் கொடிகட்டிப் பறக்கும் அமெரிக்கா, ஜெர்மனி மற்றும் இந்தியா போன்ற நாடுகளிலேயே இதற்கு குறைந்தது 10 நாட்கள் தேவை.

ashokkumar2103 said...

தமிழீழ விடுதலைப புலிகள் தலைவர் பிரபாகரன் மகன் சார்லஸ் ஆண்டனியின் உடலை நேற்று கண்டுபிடித்தததாகக் கூறும் ராணுவம் இன்று சார்லஸின் டிஎன்ஏ சோதனையை முடித்துவிட்டதாகக் கூறியுள்ளனர். எனில், சார்லஸ் மரபணுவுடன் ஒப்பிட, அவரது தாய் அல்லது தந்தை அல்லது உறவினர் திசுக்களின் மாதிரிகளை இலங்கை ராணுவம் எங்கே எடுத்தது?

ஆண்டனியின் உடல் கண்டுபிடிக்கப்பட்டது நேற்றுதான்… ஆனால் பிரபாகரன் ‘உடலை’ கண்டெடுக்கும் முன்பே ஆண்டனிக்கு டிஎன்ஏ சோதனை முடித்து விட்டதாகக் கூறுகிறார்கள். அதுவும் பிரபாகரனின் மரபணுவும், ஆண்டனியின் மரபணுவும் ஒன்றாக இருந்ததாகச் சொல்கிறது ராணுவத்தின் டிஎன்ஏ சோதனை. ஒருவேளை, நேற்று முன்தினமே சிங்கள ராணுவத்தினருக்கு தனது செல்களை நேரில் போய் கொடுத்துவிட்டு வந்திருப்பாரோ பிரபாகரன்?!

அவரது உடலின் டிஎன்ஏவை அவரது ரத்தத்துடனோ அல்லது உடல் பகுதியின் பிற திசுக்களுடனோ ஒப்பிட ஏற்கனவே அவரது ரத்தம் அல்லது திசு அவர்களிடம் இருந்திருக்க வேண்டும். அப்படி இலங்கையில் பிரபாகரனின் ரத்தம் முன்பே இருந்திருக்க வாய்ப்பேயில்லை.

இன்னொன்று, ஆண்டனியின் தாய் மதிவதனியின் மாதிரி செல்கள் கிடைக்க வாய்ப்பே இல்லை என ராணுவம் ஒப்புக் கொள்கிறது. அப்படியெனில் மிகக் கடின சோதனை முறையான ஒய் குரோமோசோம் ஒத்திசைவு சோதனைதான் நடத்தப்பட்டிருக்க வேண்டும்.

சகல நவீன மருத்துவ வசதிகளும் கொண்ட இந்தியாவிலேயே இந்த சோதனையைச் செய்ய குறைந்தது 10 நாட்கள் தேவை என நிபுணர்கள் கூறும்போது, எந்த விஞ்ஞான கட்டமைப்பு வசதியும் இல்லாத டுபாக்கூர் நாடான இலங்கையில் சில நிமிடங்களில் டிஎன்ஏ சோதனை நடத்தி முடித்தது எப்படி? இவர்களுக்கு சாதாரண மூத்திரப் பரிசோதனையாவது செய்யத் தெரியுமா?

சாரலஸ் இறந்தார்… அடுத்த நாள் பிரபாகரனை முடித்துவிட்டோம். இருவர் உடலும் எங்களிடம் உள்ளன. உடனே அவற்றின் சாம்பிள் எடுத்து சோதனை செய்து சொல்லிவிட்டோம் என்று கூட ராணுவம் காததில் கூடை கூடையாய் பூச்சுற்றக் கூடும். ஆனால், பிரபாகரன் உடல் என்ற ஒன்றை காட்டும் முன்பே, சார்லஸின் டிஎன்ஏ சோதனையை முடித்துவிட்டோம் என்று இலங்கை ராணுவமும் பாதுகாப்பு அமைச்சும் இந்திய ஊடகங்களுக்கு அழுத்தம் திருத்தமாக பேட்டி வழங்கியுள்ளது அழிக்க முடியாத ஆதாரமாக இன்னும் உள்ளது.

பிரபாகரன், சார்லஸ், பொட்டு அம்மன் போன்றோர் கொல்லப்பட்டது உண்மையானால், இந்த டிஎன்ஏ அறிக்கைகளை தருமாறு இன்டர்போல், இந்திய அரசு போன்றவை இப்போது இலங்கையிடம் கேட்கத் துவங்கியுள்ளன. பத்திரிகைகளும் நடுநிலையாளர்களும் உள்புக முடியாத தேசத்தில், சிங்கள இனவெறி ராணுவமும் அரசும் திட்டமிட்டு தயாரித்து அளிக்கும் பொய்களே ஆய்வு முடிவுகள் என்றாகிவிடும் அபாயம் உள்ளது.
இதனை உலகமும் மீடியாவும் கண்மூடி ஏற்கப் போகிறதா என்பதே இப்போதைய கேள்வி… மற்றபடி பிரபாகரன் உயிருடன் இருப்பது பற்றியெல்லாம் இப்போது நாம் பேச வரவில்லை. அந்த உண்மைகள் தெரிய வரும் பிறிதொரு சமயத்தில் எல்லோரும் அறிந்து, புரிந்து தலை குனிந்து நிற்பார்கள்!

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

Karuna starts making up his own version of stories:

Prabhakaran was with 18 men when he was killed: Karuna

Tamil Tigers chief Velupillai Prabhakaran was with 18 of his most loyal bodyguards when he was trapped and killed by the Sri Lankan military, one of his former rebel associates said on Wednesday.

Vinayagamurthy Muralitharan alias Karuna, whose 2004 revolt played a vital role in the weakening of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE), also said the Tigers would never rise again. Karuna said the soldiers who killed Prabhakaran were surprised after sighting him because some of them had thought the man had killed himself earlier. “They did not expect to see him at all.”The fighting with Prabhakaran and his men erupted at 4 a.m. Monday and was over within 90 minutes, leaving the man who had terrorized the country for over a quarter century dead near a lagoon in Mullaitivu district.

Karuna blamed Prabhakaran for his death, saying if he had been a better strategist he should have dispersed his forces and senior leaders once the Sri Lankan military went on the offensive from late last year.“But he did not do that. It shows he was foolish. He must have perhaps thought that somehow the international community would be able to enforce a ceasefire due to the plight of civilians and he would survive“Indeed, if he had been a good leader, he would not have insisted on an independent state for so long. He should have known it would never happen. If only he had transformed his military victories into political victories, the Tamils would be holding their heads high today. That did not happen.”Karuna said he had advised both Prabhakaran and the then LTTE political wing leader S.P. Thamilchelvam, who was killed in 2007, to understand the global changes and reform the LTTE. But they did not pay heed.

“The problem is some of those close to Prabhakaran had boosted his ego. They made him think he was infallible, that he could never be defeated. He was misled,” Karuna said, recalling the times when he was in the LTTE.
The way forward for the Tamils, Karuna said, was democracy.

“That's the only way. Imagine if we had a good parliamentary bloc, we could have done wonders for the Tamils, even in this dark hour. The TNA is useless,” he said, referring to the pro-LTTE Tamil National Alliance, the largest Tamil grouping in the 225-seat Sri Lankan parliament.Karuna said the Tamil community was at a crossroad after the deaths of around 90,000 people

ashokkumar2103 said...

Jeyam,

They are from Yarl and That's Tamil.

Revenge said...

It is interesting though that Karuna calls this 'great victory' and 'liberation' of the Tamil people as their 'darkest hour', and also this...

"If only he had transformed his military victories into political victories, the Tamils would be holding their heads high today"

So Sinhala victory is not for the Tamils is it, even the government toy Tamil knows this...

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

Peter, can you confirm if this is Soosai?

http://www.defence.lk/img/20090520_02a.jpg

Shot through the side of the head at close range, execution style. They haven't specified if this particular body is Soosai, but he is supposed to be one of the six bodies shown.

Veeran said...

[http://www.defence.lk/img/20090520_02a.jpg
]

Badri,

THis Pic seems too young.. Remember Susai is abt 45 yrs old & not a single strand of white hair on his chest..

I thought Susai could be the first Photo on the Defence.lk website.

Indian said...

Dinamalar reporting VP's wife \ younger son and daughter body too found.

Veeran said...

OMG,

Velu Daughter was also there in wanni ?

I know that Velu's Old dad & Mom was there as well...

Too Sadistic Morons in killing all civilians..

Peter said...

As I had written earlier, VP rumours will be cleard on Wednesday.

VP Video will be released at 20:00 GMT on Wednesday May 20th.

If security is still difficult, video will be out later this week, but clear references will be made to unfolding events.

In the meantime, please, everyone concentrate on the plight of the 30, 000 people including ICRC workers, TNA MP, and more than a thousands seriously injured cadres who remained there on Monday morning.

Indian said...

Hold on Veeran.
Only Dinamalar is reporting this - they once notoriously published flash news that Murasoli Maran was dead when he actually was fighting for his life in hospital.

So lets wait

Elizxer said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsnCcjVndnQ

Prabhakaran is Alive !
Those of you who don't understand tamil, just go around 3:07

This is what happen if you listen to the Sinhala Nai Media...

It's all plastic sugery !

Elizxer said...

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sorry one way of attention

i promise i won't do it again,
just wanted to show Sinhala Nai !

Veeran said...

[Those of you who don't understand tamil, just go around 3:07
]

U say abt the Wrinkles in VP Face..

Let me explain it to u Scientifically.

Wat will happen if u put in a Wrinkled fruit inside water for 5 hrs ? it will get swollen & the wrinkles will not be there...

Same is the case with Prabha body too which was bloated in water for some reason...

It is Still childish to imagine that VP is alive & will come on Nov 2009 Maaveerar Speech.

Dark Knight said...

soooo ....

has the Elizxer shown the wrongs of listening to Sinhala nai media?

why don't i seem to notice fanatic rejoicing?

As Peter is saying, not that it matters anyway, either way.

Peter said...

Veeran,

No need to wait 'till Heroes' Day.

Video will be released in another six hours, if things go according to plan. Otherwise, expect video before June. Now it is a case of deliberating whether Tamil concerns and doubts warrants losing international media coverage of plight of civilians. Needless to say, any VP video will consume pages that would otherwise be about ICRC ban from internment camps and UN ban from former war zone.

As for the logic of the matter, VP's body would have been air lifted to Colombo, paraded to international media and even Sinhala civilians. Not kept to rot at Nanthikadal for days, only shown to state media and confirmed by Karuna under military supervision.

Rather than fueling conspiracy theories, let's wait for another 24 hours.

Peter said...

Note how many of the newer photos do not show lower part of the body. A lot of cadres who had lost limbs in earlier battles appear to have been executed by the SLA. I don't know why TamilNet was not explicit about the disabled cadres. It might be to do with LTTE's long held policy of not referring to cadres as 'disabled', but rather those without ability to fight as 'political' or 'civil' workers, as was in the case of Brig. Tamilselvan and Castro.

FreedomFighter said...

Badri , The Sossai picture looks very close. Only the eyes I can see a difference to that of Soosai.
But can' undertsnad why they would mask most important parts of face such eyes and Norse.

Moustache look 100 perfect as those pictures.

May be one of the bolloywood make up artist is on the ground.

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ashokkumar2103 said...

Peter,

Thanks for the good news. Let us not get carried away by enemy propaganda. Let us keep faith in Prabhakaran and his chosen 'leadership'. This is not the time for blame game.

ashokkumar2103 said...

CNN opinion poll on war:

Pl cast yr vote.

link: tamilnatham

info said...

tamilnation.org is closed for site maintainence. At this crucial moment!

Fabeo said...

yeah yeah. The face shown on state media is a masked face. VP is still alive and he will begin his counter attack sooner rather than later.

Peter said...

Ashok,

Can you please send a message to TamilNaatham saying that some people can't access their site.

I am getting blocked msg because of the file http://www.tamilnaatham.com/favicon.ico

Proxy allows me to comment on Puligal Blog, but even that doesn't work for TamilNaatham.

Bhairav said...

My two cousins and their mother were killed in the bunker, 3 days back( May 15 or 16), another 2 more relatives seriously wounded. Surviving family member called from Vavuniya few hours back.

Guys, civilian losses are unprecedented in last 10 days of battle. As the Tamilnet reported figure of 25,000+ killed and wounded in last 3 days of battle, could be right.

Out of 20 relatives, 11 were killed, 3 were seriously wounded, 2 made it to the vavuniya camp, and what happened to the rest is unknown.

Bhairav said...

If people can be killed in the bunker, you can imagine how the bombing campaign can be carried out.

Fabeo said...

[Elizxer said...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsnCcjVndnQ

Prabhakaran is Alive !]

Hey Elizxer,
Are you living in a fairy tale, or in a fantasy? If you had at least a peanut sized brain, you would realize that it's virtually impossible to analyze a video of a dead body and tell if it's a fake or not.
You can wait for your life time until your beloved VP comes alive and fight for your eelam. I never expected you to be such a dumb fool

Fabeo said...

Joke of the Year....!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsnCcjVndnQ

LMAO...

නිසල් - நிசல் - Nisal said...

For those who haven't seen CA in blue shirt before:

http://wannioperation.com/news/wp-content/uploads/praba2.jpg

look at the pic with title "A proud father".

(taken from http://wannioperation.com/news/2009/05/from-prabhakarans-album/)

or search google for "prabhakaran's album".

These pics are taken from VP's private album which was captured few weeks ago. Only few pics of this album are published yet. Only SLA has access to all the photos.

Bhairav said...

http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20090520_02

It seems Soosai is also executed by SLA. He was shot in close range, otherwise how could you shoot him through ear?

Indian said...

Ashok,
Check this link and the "Thiruvengadam" puzzle is solved here

http://www.dailymirror.lk/DM_BLOG/Sections/frmNewsDetailView.aspx?ARTID=49348

Suprising that of all people Nedumaran is commenting on that.

Gayan said...

[You can wait for your life time until your beloved VP comes alive and fight for your eelam.]

That won't be hard for them Fabeo..
WAIT AND SEE(TM) is the favourite pass-time of Peelamists!! It is the one thing they are good at, after scrubbing toilets of-course!!

Gayan said...

To all who missed the most awe inspiring speech ever made by a Sri Lankan for all Sri Lankans...

http://www.nationalsecurity.lk/fullnews.php?id=19716

Truly a great leader.. , unlike Pirapaharan, one who won't hide behind civilians for his safety!!

Gayan said...

To all the faggots who still think Pirapaharan is alive!!

http://www.dailymirror.lk/DM_BLOG/Sections/frmNewsDetailView.aspx?ARTID=49484

Warning: This could be a heart-breaker for Donkey Peelamists!!

FreedomFighter said...

OMG! is this true?


Prabhakaran's family found dead
LMAO...

Veeran said...

Why are u laughing u a55hole on prabha family death ?

Prabha wife & daughter & 14 yr old son are civilians in real sense & u have no rights watsoever to kill them.

Gayan said...

TNA MP goes missing in Wanni!!
What in the world was he doing there???

http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=29419

Seems TNA was fighting alongside LTTE, even at the end!!

Gayan said...

I don't think Mathivadani, dhwaraka and Balachandran were in Sri Lanka at the time of praba s death!! Unlike innocent women and children who piraba kept as hostage, he must have evacuated his family to safety!! The filthy hypocrite!!

Veeran said...

[I don't think Mathivadani, dhwaraka and Balachandran were in Sri Lanka at the time of praba s death!! ]

Why dont u allow independent news media there ?

It is almost two days & 25000 tamils have been massacred. Wonder why UN & USA are not releasing any satellite images since they can view images as close to abt 1 Meter itself ..

Fabeo said...

[Veeran said...

Why are u laughing u a55hole on prabha family death ?

Prabha wife & daughter & 14 yr old son are civilians in real sense & u have no rights watsoever to kill them.]

Yeah yeah.Nobody has the right to kill civilians.
But only LTTE terrorists have the right to kill civilians, isn't it?
How many civilians were killed by the LTTE? How many bus bombs were blasted? How many train bombs were blasted? How many were killed at buddhist and muslim religous places? How many sons lost their fathers and mothers? How many mothers lost their sons and daughters?

LTTE had the every right to kill those innocent people.
And that's called freedom struggle. Isn't it? According to the KARMA and Newton's 3rd law, LTTE paid the price for what they had done in the past. All of their cadres sacrificed their precious lives for nothing at the end. I wish those who died for the LTTE could see how coward their precious leader's death was.

Veeran said...

[But only LTTE terrorists have the right to kill civilians, isn't it?
How many civilians were killed by the LTTE? How many bus bombs were blasted? ]

Modaya,

How many Civilians were killed by Tigers last one two years ?

May be 500 ? How much u have massacred not less than 50,000 tamil civilians..

Buddha would have shed Blood frm his eyes.

Fabeo said...

last one two years?????
So LTTE has been sleeping throughout their history other than last two years?
LTTE were unable to kill civilians as they expected due to the tight security provided by the SL gov over the last few years. How many claymore bombs were recovered from Colombo? Why did they bring them? To show off? To fighten them? For entertainment???? As I stated earlier the LTTE did pay for their sins. At the end, they could only achieve the sorrow and suffering to all the civilians including innocent Tamils, Sinhalese and Muslims

Veeran said...

[LTTE were unable to kill civilians as they expected due to the tight security provided by the SL gov over the last few years. ]

Be happy that tiger planes did not even once try to bomb civilian settlements in colombo even though they came & went safely for abt 8 times.

Accept that their priorities changed which u had taken advantage of

Gayan said...

[How much u have massacred not less than 50,000 tamil civilians..]

What???
Pee-ran you dumb inbred faggot,
Where did you come up with such bull shit numbers??
Even your precious over exaggerating Tamilnut.com says around 10,000 Tamils died!!
It seems you have single handedly killed 40,000 Tamils!!
Dumb f#$k!!
LOL

Thoughtful Guy said...

hey Veean..u are so right....LTTE was just about to go to heaven (they were like saints u know) and then the GOSL came and blasted everything and killed everyone... OK..happy now?

(and yeah... Buddha sheds blood from his eyes only when he sees tamil people killed...not for anything else)

Don't worry....Peelam is just "around the corner" © lets "wait and see ©"

Arshed said...

Palayan gon huththa yanna... thopi danna huththal latha karapiya... LTTE ekata thama kadey yana ponna wesigey puthalagey eta deka kapala maranna oney... You wish to bring in uncredited and imaginary numbers to the table just to make ur bloody false cases... For ur info the SLA represents the country as a whole and not the concentrated interests of some ppl... You may gawk at this statement... And if u are talkin abt affinities u should question that of ur former Thalaivar's and his fucked up band of retards.. Bloody faggots thought of only themselves... Fed themselves and got as fat as fuckin pigs while they left the people they 'represent' in hunger... Forced bloody infants to take up arms... Bloody inhumane... You may find that hard to stomach but that's a fact... Besides it was the fuckin tigers who used the civilians to cover up for their tomfoolery and cowardice... I'm appalled to find that u still go shopping for those traitors... I seriously question ur intellect and level of judgment... 50k civilian deaths... u guys are FUCKING insane... How can u be so ignorant, obnoxious and... imaginative!... I hope u get some sense knocked into u... assholes... drink some gal arakku or smoke a joint or fuckin bang ur skull on a fuckin thal tree... faggots... all those of u who support the LTTE,.. Bloody racist motherfuckers.. fuck you..

Gayan said...

[Be happy that tiger planes did not even once try to bomb civilian settlements in colombo even though they came & went safely for abt 8 times.]

That is because the dumb cu#$s can't aim for shit!! The LTTP are soo retarded and unable to aim, they can't hit the ground with their hats!!
They were unable to hit any target they wanted!!
Jerk-wads!!
:-):-)

Gayan said...

Arshed,
well said!!

Veeran said...

[Even your precious over exaggerating Tamilnut.com says around 10,000 Tamils died!!
It seems you have single handedly killed 40,000 Tamils!! ]

Dumbo,

I am telling the figs for last two years.

there were abt 50,000 tamils in NFZ alone & before that u had killed not less than 7500 in two months even as per UN mild estimate

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

["For ur info the SLA represents the country as a whole and not the concentrated interests of some ppl..."]

But the Sri Lankan army is made up of 100% Sinhalese. That must just be a mistake.

Gayan said...

[there were abt 50,000 tamils in NFZ alone]

Are you forgetting that all the terrorist jack-offs were in the NFZ as well?? The maggots staged their artillery attacks in the safe zone!! Why don't you talk about that you offspring of incest??

Veeran said...

[They were unable to hit any target they wanted!!
Jerk-wads!!
]

Yep. Each time they came to colombo only to shower u with their cum.

Wat a Dumbo Gayan

Gayan said...

[But the Sri Lankan army is made up of 100% Sinhalese]

That's bs!! Don't you remember colonel Muthalif and colonel Rizwi Mideen of the intelligence wing?? You faggots killed them!!
There are many Muslims in military..

Bhairav said...

Badri, are you convinced that VP is dead?

Arshed said...

@Gayan

Yeah machan... It's so bloody frustrating to know that after our nation has suffered so much that we have these freaks who still cling on to the false hopes and aspirations given to them by the thalaivar.. they are just rank pessimists who's emotions range between selfish and resentment... it's sad that Prabhakaran's legacy lives on in the form of such social parasite who only want to foster hatred and conflict...

Enough of this shit... U guys who still support the Thalaivar are a minority and all Sri Lankans well and truly believe that all races Tamil, Sinhala , Muslims, Burgers are committed to making amends for the mistakes made in the past and moving forward to realizing a common dream and vision where all races will prosper together, in one identity, under one united flag...

The rest of u who don't want to be a part of this...Go fuck yourselves!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gayan said...

[Each time they came to colombo only to shower u with their cum.]

They couldn't even do that cause their dicks are only half inch long and they are faggots without potency!!
Each time they came to hit a target, as the clever inbreeds they are, they couldn't hit a single target successfully!!

:-)))

You remember the final attack?? Their targets were a high profile swamp near Katunayake and some windows in the IRD building!!
ROFLMAO!!

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

["Badri, are you convinced that VP is dead?"]

Unfortunately I believe he is. Everything points to many LTTE leaders having been executed.

I can't accept that Prabhakaran would turn his son over to the Sri Lankan army while still trying to escape.

Though I can appreciate those who keep saying Prabhakaran is alive, I believe some are senior LTTE political or finance members and as such they have to speak what they are told to speak, which is to encourage the diaspora. That has been case from the last six months. Deny every single death, say they contacted such and such and he says everything is fine, but in the end everyone is dead and things weren't fine. I have watched that for the last six months, and I don't blame them for speaking what they are instructed to speak, but I will take it all with a pinch of salt.

Gayan said...

[Badri, are you convinced that VP is dead?]

HAHAHA!HOHOHO!HEHEHE!
HAKHAKHAK!HOKHOKHOK!HIKHIKHIK!
You guys are frigging hilarious!!

THALAIVAR can't die!! He has nine lives up his stinky a$$!! Let's hope he didn't get nine bullets up that!!
LMAO :-):-):-)

Veeran said...

[They couldn't even do that cause their dicks are only half inch long and they are faggots without potency!!
]

So says a Faggot who has a GAY-an in his name.

[You remember the final attack?? Their targets were a high profile swamp near Katunayake and some windows in the IRD building!!
]

Be Happy that it did not fell onto ur head as they were circling colombo for the correct target.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

["Prabhakaran's family members were found dead inside the Nandi Kadal Lagoon."]

They may have drowned them so that no bullet wounds would be on the civilians. Very cruel.

Thoughtful Guy said...

hey badri...when the Sun-Dogs family dies its "very cruel" eh, but what about the countless families that we killed by Sun-dogs orders? See....that's natural justice...

info said...

It better to know the enemy then a enemy you don't know. SLA killed all the poltical leaders, thinking everything was over. They should done a deal with them to help Sinhalese and Tamils.

To Sinhalese, there would be an another group like LTTE and you can't deny this unless Sinhalese fulfil Tamil aspirations.

Who knows if there will be a new group like LTTE...

Arshed said...

@Badri

With all due respect u are a racist (which is contrary to what u state) Ur only motive is to glorify the legacy of ur thalaivar.. U talk of being impartial and objective in ur view but u are a pessimist brainwashed by the LTTE's bogus propaganda... U fail to recognize the fact that safe-guarding the rights of the thamil people was the last item on VP's agenda. It may have been a different scenario back in the days when the LTTE was a small band of vigilantes but as the years went by your thalaivar seemed to enjoy the good life and his thoughts moved towards ruling the roost whilst the people he claimed to fight for stood dumbfounded... it's a pity you'll failed to see beyond his petty indulgences and aspirations... Do you honestly think that the Thamil people would have been entitled to live in peace and freedom had the eelam been established??? I don't have to spell out as to how manipulative of the helpless and opportunistic the LTTE authorities and enforces were.. Bribery, extorsion... the bloody kickbacks... They fooled the whole community and diaspora for the better part of 30 yrs...

The Sri Lankan govt. has had a checkered past and some decisions and moves have been highly questionable and flawed.. we all know that and we don't pardon those who've wronged us.. but the past is the past... i'm sure the country has gone thru enough suffering and heartache to realise the gravity of the cinsequences of such actions, attitudes and misgivings... Enough is enough... we will learn from our mistakes and we will prosper TOGETHER AS ONE

Bhairav said...

Badri, what about the few hundred Tigers under Jeyam in Batti? You think that they can regroup? I really doubt it.

I couldn't simply imagine the stupidity of VP to stay until last minute in the war zone. It is so puzzling me, why why why? They've still wanted to stay even after the Anandapuram debacle.

Fabeo said...

[Be happy that tiger planes did not even once try to bomb civilian settlements in colombo even though they came & went safely for abt 8 times.]

Yeah, they came to Colombo for sightseeing since they lived in the jungle for so long and they wanted to see how Colombo was.

Now let's be frank.
Fortunately for the people of Sri Lanka, LTTE air crafts missed out their tragets slightly due to the fact that those air crafts weren't built for bombardment.

Dear Veeran, you've forgotten all the past killings of the LTTE. Have you lived only 2 years on this earth so that you remember only the last couple of years of the LTTE? For you LTTE could be the most innocent outfit. But for the rest of the world they were the most brutal and widely spreaded TERRORIST group. Don't you remember that it was bannned in so many countries?

That's where they all went wrong. The path that LTTE chose to resolve the problem of the tamils was completely wrong. Now you better admit it for the betterment of your own future.

As Karuna have said, the LTTE couldn't adapt to the changing world. Even though they raised their military power they could never maturely deal with the changes of the world politically. They were just clinging onto the politics of the world which existed in early 70s.

According to Charle's Darwin's theory of evolution, only the species which could adapt to the changing nature can survive in this world. Others merely get extincted. That's why the LTTE's struggle ended up in such a pathetic manner.

If you have a brain which is intelligent enough to think, you can sit back and think for a while whether the path LTTE chose was right or wrong.
Please be frank and honest at least to yourself.

Arshed said...

@Veeran

Machan u are a retard.. Bloody terrorist supporters... does it give u a kick to go shopping for ur LTTE amigos?? does it add a quarter of an inch to ur microscopic excuse for a penis? It's ppl like u who have ruined our country and its thamils.... Thanks to cocksuckers like u the LTTE was able to deceive all Thamils with their false and barbaric ideology...

Ur natural feelings are those of hatred.. from one man to another... U are born as a hateful person and i pity ur pathetic existence...

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

["hey badri...when the Sun-Dogs family dies its "very cruel" eh, but what about the countless families that we killed by Sun-dogs orders? See....that's natural justice... "]

Civilians shouldn't be killed on either side,but its an ugly war. Never the less, just because Prabhakaran has committed some crime does not make his son guilty. I don't hold Mahinda's son guilty for what his father has done. Specifically choosing a particular civilian to kill because they are related to someone is despicable. I realize you can't understand the difference between random civilians being killed on both sides, and specifically choosing to kill a relative of an enemy combatant to hurt them.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

["Badri, what about the few hundred Tigers under Jeyam in Batti? You think that they can regroup? I really doubt it."]

I believe Jeyam is announced dead already. I'm not sure who is leading the fighting in the east, but they have been hurt themselves. Every month 10 or 15 are reported killed there. I don't know how many are really LTTE and how many are civilians. I can't really predict how they will fair, but basically after Vanni is cleared we can expect they will start a search in Amparai like they did in North. Its the logical thing for them to do.

["I couldn't simply imagine the stupidity of VP to stay until last minute in the war zone. It is so puzzling me, why why why? They've still wanted to stay even after the Anandapuram debacle."]

My only logical explanation is that he was purposely misled by a traitor who kept assuring him everything was going fine and UN is just about to intervene. I don't know who that was, but it had to be a very senior person who is still alive. Lets see who is still standing after this, though they will probably be listed as killed to cover it up.

Otherwise there is no explanation for allowing the entire LTTE leadership to be wiped out in a fight that was pointless and had no strategical gain at all. Just imagine the 10,000 young recruits like your relatives who must have joined in the last six months to fight the "final battle". Did they deserve to die for absolutely nothing. I mean there wasn't even a plan. What about the 10,000 civilians who died by shelling. What was gained by that? I am sure a lot of the civilian population now hates both sides and will want a peaceful democratic leadership that goes along with Sri Lankan government (to avoid more suffering). The battle can only be won by the support of the people. Anything that causes the people to suffer should be avoided at any cost. Let the Sri Lankan army take the Vanni without a fight, but let the civilians have no suffering. That would have been a much better strategy in the long run.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

Someone has reversed the photoshop black out on the Soosai photo to reveal his eyes:

http://danuka.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/sesai-edited.jpg

Can anyone confirm if they think it is him? Looks like him to me.

Bhairav said...

[I don't know who that was, but it had to be a very senior person who is still alive.]

Badri, we haven't seen the Pottu's body yet. If you've noticed for past few months, Govern Defence sources always gave significant attention to Poddu and portrayed him as one heck of military leader. I smell some fishy here. Your take on this ?

Bhairav said...

[My only logical explanation is that he was purposely misled by a traitor who kept assuring him everything was going fine and UN is just about to intervene.]

Probably from abroad, not from locally. Sadly, I guess, Norway may have triple crossed LTTE here.

info said...

hey badri, basially someone could of tricked him in josiyam.

They probably said that congress won't come and that BJP will.

That India will intevene and more bs.

At the last miniute look what happened...they found out the truth but it was too late.

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Bhairav said...

[Can anyone confirm if they think it is him? Looks like him to me.]

Yes, it looks him. It could be execution or he shot himself( most folks prefer to shoot through ear- quick death and less pain)

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

["hey badri, basially someone could of tricked him in josiyam.

They probably said that congress won't come and that BJP will."]

The elections are just getting sorted out. The minister posts aren't even decided yet. Even if the BJP had won, there is no way anything would have happened before June, and even then that's a gamble.

To base the entire organization and freedom struggle on the basis of astrology, or even on the results of indian election, would have been the stupidest thing to do in the world. Why was every single leader present in the war zone?

Another possibility was it was meant to be a grand fight till the death, a final suicidal last stand, but as things wound down some people changed their mind and had second thoughts on life. By that time they were limited to 400 square meters with no chance to do anything. I don't know who did what, but whatever happened it was a complete disaster.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

Only high leader with no body being shown yet is Pottu Amman.

sathyam said...

Ellalan Blog last year said Pottu surrendered to army. We did not hear anything about pottu since last year. If VP listen someone which would be Pottu. So If pottu's photo is not released by SL I have only one conclusion.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

Ellalan is a bunch of made up junk. So dont base anything on what was written there. But still, I also want to see a body of Poddu Amman or I will have doubts.

sathyam said...

Badri, Peter nothing is important now. the world tamils must focus now only how to help affected people. MR already told there is no minority in SriLanka. we need a unity to achieve this. So Please focus on that.

Peter said...

Some people say they have seen the VP video; not sure how true.

Friday, 22 May had been declared a day of mourning for those who died in the Mullivaykal massacre. Names of prominent people are likely to be released on the day.

The photo looks a lot like Col. Soosai, bar any gray hairs for a person his age. He appears to be wearing a caste/limb on his left hand. Rest of body and the other hand are not shown. May well have been at the hospital.

Peter said...

We also know that Mr Balakumaran and Col. Lawrence were also likely massacred as they were at the hospital with serious injuries suffered in past three months.

Tamilanban, Castro and Ratnam Master were all long-term wounded who may have also been killed.

sathyam said...

I had a friend who was a senior member of LTTE then he left from them. he told me a story 10 years ago. in the early stage VP and his 6 friends normally stay in a different house in the night time. one night suddenly there was a power cut for 1 hour. when power came back all members were there except VP. he went to another room and was ready with his pistol loaded. he is that kind of person. but still he might have a week point.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

Everyone should reread this article:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6301821.ece

It is a phone conversation between Nadesan and Marie Colvin, the reporter who lost an eye in LTTE territory. From the date it appears this conversation took place on 16th. Later on 17th there were many similar conversations reported with Norway, Sri Lankan foreign minister and ICRC.

This lady has no reason to lie or misrepresent what happened. It gives some insight into the negotiations that were occurring from 16th. These negotiations ended in betrayal and the murder of a large number of LTTE leaders. Officially Tamilnet only mentions Nadesan and Pulidevan, but I believe this is because it will look bad if military cadres were seen to surrender. The large number of LTTE leaders who appear to have been executed makes me think many more were involved than just the two mentioned.

Peter said...

Sadly, we are on about conspiracy theories.

Thankfully, if YahooNews is correct, international media is actually on about the plight of our people.

Bhairav said...

[Officially Tamilnet only mentions Nadesan and Pulidevan, but I believe this is because it will look bad if military cadres were seen to surrender.]

It make sense, as I said, Norway has triple crossed LTTE.

If MR returns to country in euphoria on 17th, I BELIEVE 100% VP WAS IN THEIR BAG on May 16th or 17th.

Bhairav said...

Peter, we're in total shock on what happened. In due course, once everything is confirmed, and, if the news can say VP was surrendered, I would be ashamed for supporting him whole heartily for for last 4 months.

Think, 5 of my relatives - youth- joined LTTE in last 5 months, 3 were dead, one lost leg, fate of the remaining one is unknown.

Out of 20 relatives in NFZ, 11 were killed,3 severely wounded, 2 made the Vavuniya camp, what happened to rest is unknown. Sadly in the last day of fighting( May 15th or 16th), two of my cousins with their mother were killed in the bunker.

Who can answer to the loss of these innocent lives if you want to surrender in the end?

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

I think Poddu Amman may still be alive and being tortured to reveal the locations of cells in South. He was the one who would be most valuable for information, and coincidentally no body yet. So they could be torturing him to reveal all the cells.

sathyam said...

Bhairav, I am really sorry for your lost. I cant even imagine VP was surrendered.

sathyam said...

விடுதலைப் புலிகளின் அரசியல்துறைப் பொறுப்பாளர் நடேசனின் மனைவியும் சிறிலங்கா படையினரால் சுட்டுக்கொலை

sathyam said...

I will suggest that Tamils should continue protest demanding Separate state with out LTTE flag and VP photo. Am I right peter?

Peter said...

Bhairav,

Point taken. But if that is what happened, the person who did it and the people involved are dead. What use in going on about it now, when there are pressing needs to get people out of internment camps and back to their homes?

Upul said...

Bhairav, I am heartbroken to hear the severe loss of many members of your family in the Vanni.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

One more picture of susai published in newspapers with no blackout:

http://www.lakbima.lk/img/Susai-.jpg

Peter said...

sathyam,

A one off reply to you.

TamilEelam flag was not one of VP or Karuna or any other individual. It was the flag that draped 30, 000 of our people who gave their lives for the cause. Each Eelam Tamil counts one or more close family members amongst those. In my opinion, it would be treacherous to abandon either the cause or the flag.

sathyam said...

-All Rajapakshe has done is to make Every tamil person realize the extreme importance of Mr.Prapakaren to each and everyone of Us
-World is about to realize that every tamil is part of LTTE, with the dream of Tamil Eelam and thats the ultimate goal.
-Now this war is over but We all want tamil eelam, So who is tamils and who is LTTE ?
-thnx to Rajapakshe -now we are from Terrorism to what ?

Upul said...

Please avoid this rumour mongering....
xyz died, abc is a traitor talk is pointless without any evidence or facts.

Upul said...

peter,

will the video be made public ?

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Bhairav said...

In my opinion, LTTE II never should be with more than 300 dedicated people who should include brightest minds of Tamilians with some role players. If you build big conventional force as LTTE, the chances of crumbling are higher due to the history of traitorous acts of Tamils. Our main purpose is destruction of Sri Lanka. Yes, put all your resources at work, in 5 or 10 years time, southern cities of SL won't be on the world map. Anyone can argue that it's against the moral values and ethics, but what can you do when your women,kids and elderly massacred like flies.

SL, you got the last chance to solve this problem diplomatically, if you miss this golden opportunity, you will never get it again.

gladiator said...

Upul

(will the video be made public ?)
well... Same old saying

WAIT AND SEE©

till thr rest of your life

sathyam said...

Another game has just begun and we have our role to help the affected civilians and make aware of the catastrophe to the world.

gladiator said...

Bahirav

{SL, you got the last chance to solve this problem diplomatically, if you miss this golden opportunity, you will never get it again.}

ooo''oo'o'ohh.... nnnooooo'o'o'o...ppppp..pp.leeees doont

WE R SOO SCARED

sounds like u dont care the lives of remaining relatives uh ?

gladiator said...

Bahirav

[SL, you got the last chance to solve this problem ]

just tell us the problem mate

Bhairav said...

http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=29416

I wonder why Tamilnet reported LTTE casualties first time in ages.

Laptop Kumara Ramawickrama said...

Now three wheelers and Kelani Bridge area slums are celebrating in Colombo with Kiribath. Economically, IMF loan is doubtful. China says that the solution for tamil problem if and only if sinhalayas wish. Malaiyalis are running to Colombo to overcome this 'home grown chinese solution'. Now let as ASSUME that LTTE is over. What is going to be the next? After so much diplomatic strains with the western world, it is doutful of getting IMF loan or any other donations from EU. Now, Sinhala King is going to show his color against Malayalis mandarins with the support of China. End of the day, RAW will bump off the sinhala King ( Justice will prevail one day). Now tamils must be patient and demonstrate in western countries for War Crime Investigation.

info said...

pottu amman escaped to carry on ltte...he is next after prabha.

prabha said b4 that if he dies he will get someone to carry on ltte for another 40 years.

Bhairav said...

There are two theories for Pottu, either he is in SLA custody or collaborator with GoSL.

Vivek said...

I could not post for the last 12 hours as i wanted to catch some sleep after 3 to 4 days.

Bhairav, Badri, Upul...

The Srilankans won in one area. Thats creating the excitement or arguments amongst Tamils about the whereabouts of VP.
Let us consider the following.
1. VP is a tool for the progress of Tamilealam. lets think that if VP has died, we need to achieve the same or rights of Tamils through other means or through other people. thats what he also wanted.
2. I think we are falling on the trap of SLA and people like INDIAN.

Lets take the case of VPs death.
a) There were two photos released - one video and one photo - both are different
b) When people said that the vidio released on the first day was masked one -second photo was released - body without clothes etc...

I stand by my theories
c)VP took cyanide and died but SLA took his body and shot it and then claiming that they have killed him
d) VP died while fighting / fleeing but SLA could not find body upto tuesday midday and they released the video after MR's speech in the parliment - after that they found the body of VP and released the photos freshly by midnight of Tuesday or early mornig of Wednesday -12.25 am.
e) VP has escaped but to hide that fact SLA plays different dramas.

Between all the three of the instances, it does not make any difference for the next six months. So, lets not keep on arguing on this. One thing I can tell you for sure is HE IS ALIVE. He fought till the last one day. He fought with all the courage a great leader needs. In fact he was forcibly evicted. thats all I can say.

More over, as we are keep on discussing only on who has betrayed who and all, SL government is taking advantage of it and plays more dramas. It wants to escape from the Genocide accusations . More over, within next one week the families of LTTE fighters may get slaughtered as well as fighters who have gone out as civilians.
Can we do something to avoid that????? Can we go and sit in the protest which is going on in the places where we live????
Can we pressurise the IC for devolution of power at least now as they felt that LTTE was the tumbling block until now.

My dear friends,
SL government wants to divert our attention from these issues. They want to make us to feel very low by way of stories. Please do not yield on this propaganda.

CA surrender aka villai. Vaiko sonnathu thavaru. But he has died. Naan ithai check panni vitten. Etharkaka CA surrender anar apadinnu solli kondu irukirarkal enpathu therinthathu than.

Vivek said...

Now tamils must be patient and demonstrate in western countries for War Crime Investigation.

I agree with Laptop and lets do that for the sake of our brothers and sisters.

Vivek said...

ஆயிரம் வீரர்கள் தீயினில் போயினர்

ஆயினும் போரது நீறும், புலி

ஆடும் கொடி நிலம் ஆறும்.

பேயிருள் சூழ்ந்திடும் கானகம் மீதினில்

பாசறை ஆயிரம் தோன்றும், கருப்

பைகளும் ஆயுதம் ஏந்தும்.

மத்தளம், பேரிகை, கொட்டு புலிப்படை

மாபெரும் வெற்றிகள் சூடும், அந்த

சிங்கள கூட்டங்கள் ஓடும்.

-இணையத்தில் இன்று காலை நான் கண்ட கவிதை இது. எழுதியவர் புதுவை இரத்தினதுரையாக இருக்க லாம். படித்துச் சிலிர்த்து நின்ற வேளை தொலைபேசி அழைப்பொன்று வந் தது. கடந்த நான்கு நாட்களாய் தொலைபேசிய அந்த முக்கியமான வரை தொடர்பு கொள்ள நூறு முறையேனும் முயன்று மனக் களைப்புற்றிருந்தேன். களநிலை பற்றின பொய்யும் புனைவுமிலா உண்மையை தரவல்ல நிலையில் உள்ளவர் அவர். வானகத்தின் தூதுவன் நேரிடை வந்தது போல வந்தது அந்த அழைப்பு. அவர் சொன்னார்: ""கவலை ஏதும் வேண்டாம். தலைவர் பாதுகாப்பாக உள்ளார். அவருக்கான பாதுகாப்பு ஏற்பாடுகள் முழுமையாக உறுதி செய்யப்பட்டபின் உலகோடு அவர் பேசு வார்''. தமிழீழ எல்லைகளின் காவலன் நல் லூர் முருகனும் எனது லூர்து மாதாவும் துணையிருந்தார்கள். படித்த கவிதை சந்தம் கட்டி என் மனதில் பாடலாய் துள்ள லாயிற்று. "பேயிருள் சூழ்ந்திடும் கானகம் மீதினில் பாசறை ஆயிரம் தோன்றும், கருப்பை களும் ஆயுதம் ஏந்தும்'.

எட்டு பத்து ஆண்டுகளுக்கு முன் இதே புதுவை ரத்தினதுரை எழுதிய கவிதையின் மறக்க முடியாத சில வரிகள் நினைவு வெளியில் கை வீசி நடந்தன.

""வா பகையே... வா...

வந்தெம் நெஞ்சேறி மிதி.

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புதுவை ரத்தினதுரையின் கவிதைகள்பால் எனக்கு ஈர்ப்பு ஏற்பட்டது 1995-ம் ஆண்டு. அதிபர் சந்திரிகா குமார துங்கே யுத்த வெறி கொண்டு முப்படைகளையும் அவிழ்த்து விட்டு யாழ்ப்பாணத்தை சிறைப்படுத்திய காலம். யாழ்ப்பாணத்தில் சிங்க முத்திரை பொறித்த சிங்களக் கொடியை ஏற்ற அன்றைய ராணுவ அமைச்சர் அனுருத்த ரத்வத்தே வந்தார். அக்கொடியை சுமந்து வந்தது யாழ்ப்பாணத்து மேயராக இருந்த தமிழர். பெயர் மறந்துவிட்டேன். வடதமிழீழத்து இதயமாம் யாழ்ப்பாணத்திற்கு சிங்கக் கொடி சுமந்து வந்த மேயர் மீது புதுவைக்குச் சீற்றம். நீண்ட கவிதையொன்று எழுதியிருந்தார். இரண்டு வரிகள் மட்டும் அடித்த ஆணிபோல் நினைவில் பதிந்து நிற்கின்றன.

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நீவிர் சிங்கக் கொடியை சுமந்து வந்தபோது

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பட்டு வேஷ்டி கட்டி வந்ததாய் அறிந்தேன்.

கக்கூஸ் வாளிக்கு தங்க முலாம் பூசுவதில்லையே?!

-அறுபதாயிரத்திற்கும் மேலான அப்பாவித் தமிழ் உயிர்களை கொன்றழித்து, இரண்டரை லட்சம் பேரை சொந்த மண்ணில் அகதிகளாக்கி, முப்பதாண்டு கால விடுதலைப் போராட்டத்தை நீசத்தனமாய் நிர்மூலம் செய்த ராஜபக்சே கும்பலுக்கு வன்னிப்பரப்பில் சிங் கக் கொடி தூக்க நாக்கை தொங்கவிட்டுக் காத்திருக்கும் ஆனந்தசங்கரி வகையறாக்கள் ஒரு கணம் நினைவுக்கு வந்தபோது புதுவையின் கவிதையும் உடன் சேர்ந்து வந்தது. ""கக்கூஸ் வாளிகளுக்கு தங்க முலாம் பூசுவதில்லையே...?! ராஜபக்சேக்களுக்கு லாவணி பாடும் ஆனந்த சங்கரிகளே இருக்கிறவரை ஏதேனும் நாற்காலியில் இருந்துவிட் டுப் போங்கள். தங்க முலாம் பூசிய கக்கூஸ் வாளிகளுக்கும் கருணை செய்து ஓய்வூதியம் தர வேலுப்பிள்ளை பிரபாகரன் விரைவில் வருவான். உங்களுக்காக வரவில்லையென்றாலும் முல்லைத்தீவு முற்றுகையின் கடைசி நாள் நடந்த மன்னிக்க முடியா துரோகத்திற்கு நீதி செய்யவேனும் அவன் வருவான்.

gladiator said...

Bahirav

you have a big problem to be solved with LTTE mate

The missing parameter of LTTE desimating is KP.
if you put him in right place , everything will be unfolded.
1.within one year SLN destryd 10 cargo ships. guess the source of the info .

2.Acurate SLAF targeting of Thamil Selvan and other targets.- TS contact KP via SAT phone and if you know the exact time the conversation starts and sufficient duration to track the location, target can be achieved. likewise he can provide the exact location of every one who got a sat phone to SLAF.

3.Although VP doesnt take the risk of using SAT phone too long, on 16th or 15 KP gave him a long list of instructions how to escape or surrender to a third party , providing the oppetunity for SLA to track him down.While SF is taking care of others anyway.

4.KP is the only person VP trusted and who can convince him to obay any final hour solution at that time.VP had no option otherthan do what KP said and fall in to trap

5.when LTTE is no more, who has the authority to handle the hell of the mony in swiss baks which belongs to LTTE

6.There was a press conference held by UNP about 1 1/2 year ago accusing the government for helping CIA/FBI and instructing thailand goverment to relese KP from arresting.at that time nobody beleived it including myself.It was redeculus acusation when thr SLG fighting hard with LTTE. BUT NOE EVERYTHING IS CLEAR


YOU GUYS NOT ONLY LOST VP BUT ALSO UR HARD ERNED MONEY

Vivek said...

மக்களை காக்க வேண்டி இலங்கை ராணு வத்திடமே ஆயுதங்களை ஒப்படைக்கும் முடிவினை சனி நள்ளிரவு புலிகள் எடுத்தார்கள். ஞாயிறு காலை கொழும்பு இந்திய தூத ரகத்தின் உதவியுடன் இலங்கைத் தமிழர் பாராளுமன்ற உறுப்பினர் கஜன் பொன்னம்பலம் ராஜபக்சேவோடு பேச்சுவார்த்தை கள் நடத்த முடிவொன்று ஏற்படுகிறது. "முல் லைத்தீவு களத்தில் நிற்கும் புலிகளின் தளபதிகள் வெள் ளைக்கொடி பிடித் துக் கொண்டு இலங் கை தளபதிகளிடம் வரட்டும். ஆயுதங் களை ஒப்படைப்பது, காயமுற்றோரை அப்புறப்படுத்துவது தொடர்பான நடைமுறை ஒழுங்குகளை அவர்களே கலந்து பேசி முடிவு செய்யட்டும்' என்பதாக அந்த ஏற்பாடு.

இம்முடிவினை ராஜபக்சே அலுவலகம் ராணுவத் தலைமைக்கும், முல்லைத் தீவு கட்டளைத் தளபதிகளுக்கும் அறிவிக்கிறது. இந்த ஏற்பாடுகள் முடியவே ஞாயிறு இரவாகி விடுகிறது.

ராஜபக்சேவுடன் நடந்த விவாதங்களையும் முடிவுகளையும் கஜன் என்ற கஜேந்திரன் பொன்னம்பலம்... செல்வராஜா பத்மநாபனுக்குத் தெரிவிக்க முல்லைத்தீவு களத்தில் நின்ற விடுதலைப் புலிகளின் அரசியற் பிரிவுப் பொறுப்பாளர் நடேசனுடன் இவற்றை திங்கள் அதிகாலை 2.30 மணிக்கு விவாதிக்கிறார் பத்மநாபன். யுத்தம் 500 மீட்டர் அருகில் வந்த போதும் கூட உலகோடு உரையாடும் செயற் கோள் வசதிகளை விடுதலைப்புலிகள் கொண்டிருந்தார்கள் என்பது ஒரு ராணுவ அரசியல் இயக்கமாக எத்துணை ஆழமாக வளர்ந்திருந்தார்கள் என்பதற்குச் சான்றாகத் தெரிந்தது. விடிந்ததும் நடேசன், சிறப்புத் தளபதி ரமேஷ் -இவர் முன்பு கருணாவின் துணை தளபதியாக இருந்தவர், புலிகளின் சமாதானச் செயலகப் பொறுப்பாளர் புலித்தேவன் மூவரும் வெள்ளைக் கொடி ஏந்தி சிங்களத் தளபதியர்களை சந்திக்கச் செல்வ தாய் ஏற்பாடு.

வெடிபொருள் புகை கவிந்த முல்லைத் தீவு பரப்பு விடிந்தது. வெள்ளைக் கொடி ஏந்தி மூவரும் நடந்தார்கள். சிங்களத் தளபதியர்களின் கூடாரம் அருகே வந்தார்கள். ஏன், என்னவென்ற பேச்சின்றி சுட்டுக் கொல்லப்பட்டார்கள். பின்னர்தான் தெரிய வந்தது அவர்களைச் சுட்டுக் கொல்லும் உத்தரவை ராஜபக்சேவின் சகோதரனும் ராணுவ அமைச்சருமான கோத்தபய்யா ராஜபக்சே பிறப்பித்திருந்த சதி.

வெள்ளைக் கொடியேந்தி சரணடையவோ, பேச்சுவார்த்தை நடத்தவோ வருகிறவர்களுக்குத் தீங்கிழைப்பது யுத்தக் குற்றம். அனைத்துலக சட்டதிட்டங்கள் இதனை கடுமையாக வலியுறுத்துகின்றன. ஆனால் சிங்கள இனவெறி பிடித்தாடும் கோத்தபய்யாவை பொறுத்தவரை தமிழருக்காகப் பேச எவருமே உயிரோடு இருக்கக்கூடாது. நடேசனும், புலித்தேவனும் சரணடைந்து கைது செய்யப்பட்டாலும் அவர்கள் யுத்தக் கைதிகளாகவே நடத்தப்பட வேண்டும். நாளை அனைத்துலக ஏற்பாட்டில் அரசியல் தீர்வுக்கான பேச்சுவார்த்தைகள் தொடங்கும் போது புலிகள் தரப்பிலும் பிரதிநிதிகள் இருக்க வேண்டுமென உலக நாடுகள் நிச்சயம் வலியுறுத்தும். அத்தகு சூழலில் தகுதியோடு தமிழரை பிரதிநிதித்துவப்படுத்த எவருமே இருக்கக்கூடா தென்பதுதான் கோத்தபய்யாவின் கணக்கு. முக்கிய செய்தி என்னவென்றால் இந்தியா சொல் வதையோ, அண்ணன் ராஜபக்சே சொல்வதையோ கேட்பதற்கு கோத்தபய்யா தயாராக இல்லை என்பதுதான்.

கொடுமை அத்தோடு முடியவில்லை காயமுற்று பாதி உயிரோடு முனகிக் கிடந்த பத்தாயிரத்திற்கும் மேலான அப்பாவி மக்களை புல்டோசர்கள், செயின் புளக்-கள் ஏற்றிக் கொன்றுவிட்டு ஆதாரங் கள் ஏதுமின்றி அதிநவீன ரசாயனக் கலவைகள் ஊற்றி எரித்திருக்கிறார் கள். அவ்வாறே காய முற்றிருந்த சுமார் 3,000 போராளிகளையும் கரு ணை இரக்கமின்றி சுட்டுக் கொன்று வெறி தீர்த்திருக்கிறார்கள். வேறெதற் கும் இல்லையெனினும் கோத்தபய்யாவிற்கு நீதி சொல்லவேனும் வேலுப்பிள்ளை பிரபாகரன் வருவான், நிச்சயமாய் வருவான்.

மரணத்தின் நிழலில் வளர்ந்த அதீதப் பிறவி பிரபாகரன். மாத்தையா அவரது வாகனத்திற்கு அடியிலேயே வெடிகுண்டு பொருத்தினார். ஆனால் வெடிக்கவில்லை. ஏன் வெடிக்கவில்லை என்பதற்கு மனித அறிவு சார்ந்த விளக்கம் எதுவுமில்லை. சாவகச்சேரி நகர் வளைவு திறக்கும் நிகழ்வின் போது அவரோடு மூத்த தளபதிகள் யாவரதும் கதை முடிக்க மாத்தையா ஏற்பாடு செய்திருந் தார்.

விழாவுக்குப் புறப்படும் போது மோசமான வயிற்று நோவு வர விழாவிற்கு அவர் வரவில்லை. வந்திருந்தால் அன்றே அவர் வரலாறு முடிந்திருக்கும். திருநெல்வேலி தாக்குதலின் போது அவரது துப்பாக்கியில் ரவை தீர்கிறது. குனிந்து ரவை நிரப்புகிறார். புறத்தே மின்னல் தெரிகிறது. சக தோழர்களின் பறக்கிற ரவைகள் என நினைக்கிறார். காலையில் பார்த்தால் தான் குனிந்தபோதுதான் நின்ற இடத்திலேயே எதிரியின் ரவைகள் பாய்ந்து வந்திருக்கின்றன. அக்கணம் குனிந்திராவிட்டால் அன்றே அவர் முடிந்திருப்பார். ""கடவுள் காத்து வருகிறார் எனக் கருதலாமா?'' என 2002-ல் அவரிடம் கேட்டேன். ""இன்னும் நான் செய்ய வேண்டிய கடமைகள் இருக்கிறதென இயற்கை நினைக்கிறது போலும்'' என்றார். தமிழர்களே, நண்பர்களே, முல்லைத்தீவில் கதை முடிய வில்லை. புதிய கதை தொடங்குகிறது. உலகத் தமிழினம் இனி நடக்கப் போவது புதிய தடங்களில்.

Vivek said...

I just took one article written by Rev. Jagath kaspar in Nakkheeeran. So, sorry that i did not delete about Mathaiah who was a great warrior.

Vivek said...

Bhairav and Badri,
Please do not react to gladiator. Again these guys wants to confuse everyone. Please do not fall in to the trap. Lets wait for some more time for clarity. But I can tell you that KP was negotiating for the last moment surrender. Not only that he was ready to pour crores of money for getting the people secured.

Lets not fight withing ourselves. If someone was a traitor, he would be punished at any cost by the remaining cadres. lets wait and watch and currently our goal should be securing the civilians who have gone into the government controlled area. Lets take steps to do that.

Vivek said...

வன்னிக்காட்டில் சிதறிக் கிடந்த புலிகளின் உடல்களை ராணுவத்தினர் வரிசையாக அடுக்கி வைத்திருந் தனர். சில உடல் கள் கருகியிருந்தன. பிரபாகரன் உள் ளிட்ட புலிகளின் முக்கியத் தலைவர் களை அடையாளம் காண்பதற்காக கருணாவை கொழும்பிலிருந்து தனி ஹெலிகாப்டரில் அழைத்து வந்தது சிங்கள ராணுவம். புலிகளால் தனது உயிருக்கு ஆபத்து ஏற்படும் என்ற அச்சத்தில் இருந்த கருணா, அவர் கள் முற்றிலுமாக அழிக்கப்பட்டு விட்டார்கள் என்ற தகவலைக் கேட்டு, உற்சாகமாகத்தான் காட்டுப்பகுதிக்கு வந்தார். வரிசையாகக் கிடத்தி வைக்கப் பட்டிருந்த சடலங்களைப் பார்த்த அவருக்கு அதிர்ச்சி.

சிங்கள ராணுவம் கொன்றதாகச் சொல்லப்பட்ட புலிகளின் தளபதிகளில் ஒருவரின் உடலைக்கூட கருணாவால் அங்கு பார்க்க முடியவில்லை. உதட்டைப் பிதுக்கிவிட்டுத் திரும்பிய கருணா, "மொக்கச் சிங்களனுங்க கோட்டை விட்டுட்டானுங்க' எனத் தனது சகாக்களிடம் சொல்லி யிருக்கிறார்

SuthaS said...

My guess is VP and Soosai shot themselves when they were surrounded by the SLArmy because they only got the head injuries. When you see the Nakheeran story, it says VP, Soosai, and Pottu were escaped on Saturday. It's hard to believe because when you see the Soosai's picture, it seems 100% real. Pottu might be escaped.

LankaBoy_007 said...

Yes Idiots we Trick them in to surrender then we torture and KILL them. What you gonna do about it.. I never thought your VP pig and the piglets would be humiliating thing call surrendering. Didn’t they have balls to eat cyanide? Is that pig that stupid to think that army would take him as a humble POW? Thanx to idiots like youhe have been survived this many years. You stateless bloody morons never will learn or understand. Faggots you will be shit ass gypsies forever.

Vivek said...

yes Suthas,

I also do not beleive in Nakkheeeran story of soosai's escape. Thats why I have not posted that here. But at the same time my point is lets not argue within ourselves whether they have surrendered or fought and died or made suicide etc...
If a leader can surrender and save 25000 people he has to surrender. Then only he is a true leader. If VP has surrendered to save 25000 people then there is no harm. And if he had been executed after that then its cowardice from the SLA part and we need to take revenge for that.

Coming back,
Today there are around 350000 civilians had come out of Vanni in the last 1 month. LTTE was saying from the beginning that they had around 400000 people with them. But both the SL government and lot of IC have underestimated that count.
Then its true that atleast 20 to 30000 people had been butchered in the last one month.
What are we going to do is the prime question. We need to take on the streets as we did in the last one month across all the capitals of the world. We need to highlight that we have given correct picture.
We need to make the IC to ask the SL government about the welfare of these civilians and what happened to the rest.
Thats the priority my friends.

Laptop Kumara Ramawickrama said...

See this youtube video

http://tinyurl.com/prs9vw

gladiator said...

Vivek

[Then its true that atleast 20 to 30000 people had been butchered in the last one month.]

heven sake from where u get those figurs?
where the hell SLA going to bury those 30000 dead bodies, can you show IC the graves of those30000

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Peter said...

Vivek,

You own comments are well thought out. Nakeeran ones appear to be full of masala.

As you say, this is a very good time for us to press the international case. What happened to VP and LTTE will emerge with time; we should refrain from propagating baseless, scandalous conspiracy theories about people who gave their lifetimes and even lives for the cause.

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"We should boycott the callous Sri Lanka regime," says a columnist in The Times.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6329468.ece

Likewise, most international press are positive. Let's capitalize on this to shutdown internment camps and demilitarize our homeland.

Vivek said...

Gladiator,
You know better... you guys are experts in that. When there were 350000 people had been rescued as per your own version, where did they come from????

We people were maintaining that there were only around 100000 in vanni and now claiming that 350000 had been rescued. where did the 250000 extra came from???? from the sky directly???

You guys are cleaning the entire mass grave. Isn;t??? Thats why you guys are forcing ICRC in subtle ways to get them out right???

Peter said...

Most read story on the BBC: "Tamil children 'being abducted'"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8060564.stm

Pragash said...

சிங்கள அரசின் பிரச்சாரத்தை ஊடகங்கள் திரும்பத் திரும்ப ஒளிபரப்பிக் கொண்டிருந்த வேளையில், நக்கீரனின் தொடர்ச்சியான முயற்சிகளின் மூலம் கிடைத்திருக்கும் உறுதி யான தகவல், உலகத் தமிழர்களின் நேசத்திற்குரிய விடுதலைப்புலிகளின் தலைவர் பிரபாகரன் உயிருடன் இருக்கிறார் என்பதுதான். பிர பாகரனின் மனைவி, மகள், இரண்டாவது மகன் ஆகியோர் பாதுகாப்பாக வெளிநாட்டில் உள்ளனர்.

தன்னுடைய பாதுகாப்பு ஏற்பாடுகளை சரிவர ஏற்படுத்திக்கொண்டபிறகு , பிரபாகரனே ஊடகத்தில் தோன்றி உரையாற்றுவார். அதுவரை சிங்கள ராணுவம் தனது தரப்புச் செய்திகளை பரப்பிக்கொண்டிருக்கும். பிரபாகரன் ஊடகங் களில் உரையாற்றும்போது சிங்கள அரசின் மாஸ்க் முகம் அம்பலத்திற்கு வரும் என்கி றார்கள் மிகமிக முக்கியமானவர்கள். நக்கீரனுக்கு கிடைத்துள்ள இந்தத் தகவல், ஆயிரம் மடங்கு நம்பகத்தன்மை வாய்ந்தது என்பதை வாசகர்களிடம் உறுதியுடன் தெரிவித்துக் கொள்கிறோம்.

Badri/Peter, Any comments?

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Peter said...

Vivek,

Not even 100, 000. On 18 Feb. CNN reported "India on Wednesday urged Sri Lanka's Tamil rebels to "release" civilians, who it said numbered about 70,000 in Sri Lanka's war zone."

Since then food for only around 50, 000 was allowed in. Now that more than 300, 000 have been "rescued" we know that India and Sri Lanka had deliberately sought to starve the people.

Numbers weren't off by a thousand or two. Numbers that came out are four times the initial amount given by Pranab.

More worringly, not a single injured person has been brought out since Monday. When the last doctors left they said more than 1, 000 injured civilians remained. All with all LTTE injured, all civil officials, all civilian and injured are remaining civilians are feared killed.

That's around 30, 000 people who are being cremated and ashed chucked into the ocean.

Everyone including ICRC is kept out of the area. International media wasn't even taken to see VP's body. But they were taken to see Killinochchi and Mulaitheevu before.

Vivek said...

Dear Peter,

I have gone through the link you provided.
Some more points are coming to my mind.
1. We need to stop buying srilankan products - whether its tea or biscuits etc..
2. We need to start avoiding the stores where SL products are stocked and we need to tell them that we are doing so because they are stocking the products from SL.
In a place like Paris, London or canada the Tamil population is sizable and no store can lose business at this trying times. It will work but patience is the key.
At least 20% of the exports of SL is consumed by diaspora. If the exports are down by 20%, the costing of the products would go awry and they will not be competitive. Then it would be difficult to maintain the remaining 80% of the exports. It will decline.

All the Tamils should take a resloution. We will not buy any SL product even if there is no alternative available. I think I have posted the same points long time back.

LankaBoy_007 said...

yes we have killed as many as 30000 may be even more thanx to velu you are may even not be second minority in the country now. so we have to negotiate with the muslims since they are emerge as the minority in the country now. by the way we didn’t have to bury them. coz we got new biochemical weapons that could decimate elamist in to a ash.

Vivek said...

I agree with you peter. At least 30000 had been butchered. Whether IC is going to react atleast now???

I think you have the connections with all the Tamil supportive websites atleast in the way of email. Why not you write a article and send them. I agree they know the facts well but due to some reasons they are not publishing these articles which are absolutely required at this point of time.

Peter said...

Vivek,

In most cities, Diaspora owned shops and restaurants no longer stock made in Sri Lanka products. We have found alternatives made in Thailand and India.

If you know of any places, you should name and shame them.

They no longer have excuse of "we are against LTTE" as one 'Jaffna Store' in Germany used to say.

But, as Jeremy Page wrote in the Times, we should also shame retailers like Marks and Spencer who have factories in SL. Their trade probably pumps more money into Colombo than Diaspora.

LankaBoy_007 said...

We are in the process of that eliminating who ever have/had connection with ltte/tro/btuf. Any body who found guilty will be visited by white van and kill and burn without question. Karuna and TMVP members are voluntarily assisting army for this noble work. So don’t ever again think about to come to Sri Lanka you shit peelamists.

Peter said...

Vivek,

The trouble is websites don't want to shock Tamils who are already extremely hurt.

But as you and I have, more Tamils will find the strength in the memory of our heroes to carry the struggle forward in whatever way possible.

Yes, we should have articles by Friday.

LankaBoy_007 said...

Yes peter is perfectly correct we have butchered 20 to 30001 ½ elamist. We hide them inside pee eater’s mothers punde. So mother must have told him the dirty secret. bitch

Vivek said...

Lanka boy,,,,
I think you would have hidden it under your mother, sister and wife's private parts. because, they can take 10000 each.

Rajah said...

for all dummies who talks about past

this no the time for past and faith of leaders. this is the time build future for idps, you all guys doing what sl_govt. want u to. look forward and fight for the decent life for our bothers and sister.

i beg you guy pls think and work hard.

sorry to be so hash but i dont have choice. i hope nno more faith post in this blog

Vivek said...

Rajah,

Thats not harsh at all. This is the reality and thats what to be done.

wijayapala said...

Dear Bhairav Thambi,

"If you build big conventional force as LTTE, the chances of crumbling are higher due to the history of traitorous acts of Tamils."

Thalaivar had built a large conventional force because he believed that the key to a separate Thamileelam is a Tamil national army. No country can truly be independent without an army, the LTTE would often say.

Therefore everything about the LTTE focused on this army- political wing recruited child soldiers, international wing collected funds and sent weapons, kavalthurai beat up Tamils who would resist sending their children to die etc.

Thalaivar understood that you cannot create a separate Tamil state with only 300 losers, regardless of how motivated they are. Guerrillas and terrorists cannot build Tamileelam.

"Our main purpose is destruction of Sri Lanka. Yes, put all your resources at work, in 5 or 10 years time, southern cities of SL won't be on the world map."

If you destroy southern SL cities you will have to destroy tens of thousands of Tamils who live there. Is that what you want- to be responsible for killing your own people?

Anyway how will you blow up these cities while living in other countries? You need a presence in SL- and you don't have that right now.

onecountry said...

Simply amazing conspiracy theories. You should write mystery novels. It might come out to be a comedy like this blog. Simply amazing.

wijayapala said...

"In most cities, Diaspora owned shops and restaurants no longer stock made in Sri Lanka products. We have found alternatives made in Thailand and India."

Not true- the Tamil-owned shops I frequent still carry Sri Lankan goods. To most SL diaspora Tamils, these goods represent one small link with the homeland that they lost. To think they could easily give them up is a fool's dream.

onecountry said...

Guys... understand the practical situation. GOSL comprehensively beat LTTE. It does NOT want any remnants to survive. It will NOT kill low level cadres because it is of no use. But, it WILL make sure no leader is left alive or free. May it be in the camps or in the jungles. That is the practical situation. You guys talking crap here. Instead, I suggest you guys draw up plans to help displaced and push for power devolution that is acceptable to EVERYONE. Eelam is not acceptable and out of the question. Instead, PCs with more powers so that locals will be in charge of local affairs at provincial level. That is the ONLY thing that is practical. Otherwise, you guys will contribute to more deaths and SL tamils will be an endangered species.

Revenge said...

"Not true- the Tamil-owned shops I frequent still carry Sri Lankan goods. To most SL diaspora Tamils, these goods represent one small link with the homeland that they lost."

The peoplw are going to give them up whether they want to or not, I have spoken to many a shop owner and they are only disposing of stock they already own of Sinhala state crap (which I have not bought in many years). There is a united effort by shop owners to do away with all Sinhala state products and alternatives have been found for most and will be introduced as the others are used up. Don't believe me, keep checking the stores. Also now even the western mind has accepted this is is a good way to starve the terror state...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6329468.ece

Revenge said...

BTW even better news is that many of the same products are being made by local Tamil manufacturers, so its a double bonus. Stop funds going to the terror state and at the same time improve already burgeouning Tamil businesses.

FreedomFighter said...

No Provinical Council will be acceptable to tamils. Our home land and self rule is a must settlment , call it what ever they like it. Other wise war will continue,

There is no way our youth, many civilians died invain for you provincial council.


remember that there are still tamils in this world to continue the fighting. The way things are going we have better chance for thamil eelam. If the sri lankan govenment does not meet the expectations of Tamils.

Roy Muller said...

Laptop Kumara [Now, Sinhala King is going to show his color against Malayalis mandarins with the support of China.]

I request the diaspora keep the focus on the war crimes committed by GOSL/SLA/RAW/India combo, make them accountable.

Get international attention to free/save/help civilians detained/injured/missing in camps.

Internatioanlly, fight for establishing Eelam possibly set up a govt in Exile with a defacto Embassies in Canada, France , Britian (no more LTTE)

Put VP death (if tats true)to rest I am sure the struglle will take new dimensions as nothing is lost .. ...

Lastly, do not entertain "Indian" slumdogs snooping here. To quote Laptop ultimately , Malayalees/Indian/RAW/India will get screwed for its flawed foriegn policy.. till then just be patient and Tamils will ahve the last laugh,

The local newspaper in the country (pro-China) I am living did a analysis on the post war scenario of Lanka and its prediction were not good for South Asia. In times like this we need political foresight and maturity.

FreedomFighter said...

Roy..there is slight problem with War Crime..


"Sri Lanka is not a member of the International Criminal Court and could only be subjected to its jurisdiction by a vote in the UN Security Council, where China and Russia both hold veto power. " Times


But i think still we have push for that.

Vivek said...

Nothing less than the Federal system is what we should be eying for. We need to pressurise the IC to get the Federal structure in place.

For that we need to get into the streets and protest peacefully across the globe.
Please do not think, what if I dont go to the protest, what is going to happen if 1 person is absent. Lets be present in the protest where ever it is.

FreedomFighter said...

With chine backing, srilanka most likely not going to take notice of any Indian attempt to solve the crisis in their interest. Its all China now.

FreedomFighter said...

Sri Lanka has used the Indian's influance in the west to ban ltte, now they going to align them self with their true and natural friends, the Chinese.

Vivek said...

FF,
I doubt it. Because, SL requires india on its side for some more time. So, until then they will play the game . After that, as you said, they will start showing their true face. By then the idiotic and shitty foreign policy of India would be in pieces.
We will realise only then. Krishna Menon was responsible for our China debacle in 1962 and now its the MK Narayan and SS Menon for the debacle in the south.
Now, if you have any contacts with TNA ask them to pressurise India for meaningful devolution. If MR has heart he will do it. Or India's pressure will push MR towards making India as an enemy.

Upul said...

how to boycott shit lankan products:

if you all drink tea, stop drinking black tea (any kind). it gets mixed with shit lankan black tea.

go for green tea or teas from africa.

don't buy shit lankan apparels, if you see one in the store creat a scene, tell you store about human rights and sweatshops in shit lanka - try to get them to get rid of shit lankan products.

Upul said...

The next time you buy some lingerie, a T-shirt or a pair of rubber gloves, you may want to reflect on this: they were probably made in Sri Lanka. And like it or not, your purchase plays a role in the debate over how to respond to the Sri Lankan Government's successful but brutal military campaign against the Tamil Tiger rebels, which reached its bloody climax this week.

Since 2005 Sri Lanka has been allowed to sell garments to the European Union without import tax as part of a scheme designed to help it to recover from the Boxing Day tsunami of 2004. That means its clothes are 10 per cent cheaper than those from China and other competitors - helping the island to earn at least $2.9 billion from the EU annually. Britain accounts for much of that.

Britain has also helped to rebuild Sri Lanka's tourist industry: Britons accounted for 18.5 per cent of the foreigners who visited the former colony's famous beaches, wildlife parks, tea plantations and Buddhist temples last year. Only India sends more tourists. Many Britons also own property there, especially around the southern city of Galle, not far from where Arthur C.Clarke, the British science fiction writer who settled in Sri Lanka, used to love to scuba dive.

So the question facing British shoppers and holidaymakers is this: should they continue to support Sri Lanka's garment and tourist industries? Sadly, the answer must be no.

Britain should welcome the defeat of the Tigers, a ruthless terrorist organisation that forcibly recruited children, pioneered the use of the suicide bomb and killed thousands of innocent people. But Britain must also condemn the Sri Lankan Government's conduct of the war - and take punitive action against it both to discourage other states from using similar methods, and to encourage proper reconciliation between the Tamil and Sinhalese communities. With the UN paralysed, economic sanctions are the only practical options left.

Many will ask why they should care: there are bigger conflicts in the world, and Sri Lanka's is mercifully confined to its own shores, with no risk that British troops might be deployed.

The response to that is simple: what about next time? Sri Lanka's war has been discrete only because it is an island; many other conflicts in have spilt across borders, forcing military intervention to prevent a humanitarian disaster or a greater conflagration. Consider the crack-up of Yugoslavia or Sierra Leone.

Britain may have, in the eyes of the world, ceded much of the moral high ground over human rights when it shed civilian blood during the invasion and occupation of Iraq. But that does not mean that Britain should abandon its role in defending international law that protects civilians in conflicts and holds governments accountable for their actions during war.

Yes, international humanitarian law is based largely on Western values, and enforced imperfectly, but the world would be a much more violent, unjust place without it. Put simply, every war might look like Sri Lanka's.

In an ideal world the UN, not the EU, would take the lead. But the UN, even in the face of a clear humanitarian disaster and blatant war crimes by both sides, has been compromised. By cosying up to China, Russia and other countries facing their own separatist problems, Sri Lanka managed to keep its own war off the formal agenda of the UN Security Council until the last minute. Without the UN Security Council's backing, an independent war crimes investigation will struggle to get off the ground.

Thus it is once again up to the democratic world to take action - even if that means muddling the issues of trade and human rights.

A key point to bear in mind is that human rights are an explicit part of GSP Plus, the EU's scheme that gives preferential trading rights to 16 developing nations, ranging from Guatemala to Mongolia. These nations must all comply with 27 international conventions covering environmental, labour and human rights standards. Many have gone to great lengths to adhere to them.

onecountry said...

No Provinical Council will be acceptable to tamils. Our home land and self rule is a must settlment , call it what ever they like it. Other wise war will continue,I recall another guy who had the same rethoric. Unfortunately, he met his match few days ago. Greed will give you nothing. NOTHING.

Gayan said...

[I request the diaspora keep the focus on the war crimes committed by GOSL/SLA/RAW/India combo, make them accountable. ]

HAHAHA!!!

[possibly set up a govt in Exile with a defacto Embassies in Canada, France , Britian (no more LTTE)]

HOHOHO!!!


[Put VP death (if tats true)to rest I am sure the struglle will take new dimensions as nothing is lost .. ...]
NOTHING IS LOST!!!! HEHEHE!!!

[But i think still we have push for that.]

HAKHAKHAK!

[The way things are going we have better chance for thamil eelam.]

HOKHOKHOK!!!

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!! What a bunch of clowns!!!!!
I'm soooo tired of laughing and partying these days, while you retards are sobbing, praying and !!!! All Sinhalese are!!!

PAAAAARTAAAAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!

:-):-):-):-):-):-)

Indian said...

//Vivek said,
I just took one article written by Rev. Jagath kaspar in Nakkheeeran. So, sorry that i did not delete about Mathaiah who was a great warrior//

Thats fine,why did you want to delete it - to remember only one side and conveniently forget the other???

Indian said...

...Oh you dont have to take the pain to address him as Rev.That asshole doesnt deserve to be called that - atleast we Roman catholic's dont consider so

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