Saturday, May 23, 2009

First pictures of the devastated war zone in Sri Lanka

The following are photographs taken by reporters as they flew over the final war zone in Sri Lanka in a helicopter. No one has been allowed into this area since the final battle. There are reports that tens of thousands of wounded civilians were killed on the final three days of fighting. The Sri Lankan government has since cremated all bodies, and dumped the ashes into the sea.

























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Veeran said...

Tamils Eelam cause has been lost forever with every divison pulling in its own divison.

THis is what GOSL has achieved in Killing VP.now NO one is talking abt the massive HR abuses by killing abt 20,000 tamils & also the Abuses that are going on in the Nazi Camps.

Tamils division wil be well exploited by Srilanka & i doubt whether there will be any tamil in Srilanka who will talk against GOSl.

wijayapala said...

Dear Mahindan10,

"So, this 'so-called' Indian wants to create distrust between Tamils and the remaining leader of the LTTE!"

The distrust already exists. KP basically lied about Thalaivar being alive:

(May 19) Statement 1:

I wish to inform the Global Tamil community distressed witnessing the final events of the war that our beloved leader Velupillai Pirapaharan is alive and safe. He will continue to lead the quest for dignity and freedom for the Tamil people.


(May 25) The head of the LTTE’s Department of International Relations on Sunday announced that the LTTE Leader Velupillai Pirapaharan attained martyrdom fighting the military oppression of the Sri Lankan state on 17 May.

KP switched his story only when it became impossible to verify. According to Tamilnet, the LTTE's "Intelligence Department" (more like "Idiot Department") continues to insist that the LTTE leadership is alive. So it seems a schism is in the works.

Methinks that LTTE Idiot Department is what is left of Castro's clowns.

smelly cat said...

reunification of North - East Of Sri Lanka with Tamil Nadu i.e India

What about the Muslims? What if they vote to unify the east with ...say Saudi Arabia?

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wijayapala said...

Nevergiveup,

Nobody here understands whatever Kraut language you're spewing. The fact that you can't write in Tamil language is proof enough for the Sinhalese that the diaspora will never be a threat.

Indian said...

//mahindan10 said,
So, this 'so-called' Indian wants to create distrust between Tamils and the remaining leader of the LTTE//

I have no necessity to CREATE distrust,when the bickerings are already in the open.

http://www.pathivu.com/news/1950/54/.aspx

This link had Nedumaran's rebuttal to KP for saying VP is dead.It was a bit harsh on KP too with Nedu claiming "He knows on whoz insistance KP is saying VP is dead".Now this article has been removed from Pathivu

Also you still seem to be a bachcha believing what the power's SAY.Unless prooven otherwise,IMHO KP is the person who kept giving false promises to VP that all is fine in International front and there will be an intervention.VP stayed put due to this and lost everything including his life.

Go figure it out

onecountry said...

Wijaypala idiot:

That is Norwegian buddy. Let me know if you need translation. BTW, have you seen a norwegian sub? Hahaha.. I guess not. Do you know that subs can go under the surface naval curtains? I guess not. Do you know who else have enjoyed the ride in a norwegian sub? I guess not. Then shut the f up!

smelly cat said...

"As TamilNet is being heavily pressed by its readership to know the truth, it has become a necessity to state that TamilNet doesn't take any responsibility for any of the stands taken, as these are beyond its independent verification."

If Tamilnet after a WEEK can't verify if, none other than their LEADER is dead or alive exactly what are they in a position to verify? That the sun rises from the east and sets in the west?

Common, it's not VP's shoe size the readership wants to know.It's whether he is dead or alive for gods sake!

"..TamilNet doesn't take any responsibility.."
YEA...Tell me about it.You've proved that beyond any reasonable doubt over the years.

By the way, Is the LTTE still 'successfully thwarting the army offensives' ? Do you take responsibility for that?

Veeran said...

[reunification of North - East Of Sri Lanka with Tamil Nadu i.e India
]

Does Smelly cat know what happen to East Pakistan ?

If Tamils are suppressed & china takes a major Strong hold in South of Colombo, dont rule out this option by India

Gayan said...

[reunification of North - East Of Sri Lanka with Tamil Nadu i.e India]

Keep dreaming dumb faggot!!
WAIT AND SEE(TM)!!!
LMAO!!

smelly cat said...

nevergiveup,

Do you know that a sub is undetectable only as long as it stays immersed? Do you know that it can do that only in deep water? Do you know how somebody can get to the sub there from Mulativu without getting detected by the naval cordon? Have YOU seen a Norwegian sub? I doubt it. In fact I doubt you know any damn thing about subs. So you shut the F up.

P.S. A wise man knows when to GIVE UP!

wijayapala said...

Veeran,

"Tamils Eelam cause has been lost forever with every divison pulling in its own divison."

You're absolutely correct- we need a new Thalaivar to think on our mindless Eelamoid behalf. I have constructed the following short-list for the Eelamoid community to ponder upon, from least to most desirable:

Colonel Ram: Ram is probably the highest-ranking LTTE commander who survived the destruction of the leadership last weekend. He is a hardened veteran who commanded the Jeyanthan Brigade and led guerrilla ops in Ampara/Yala for nearly the last 2 years. Unfortunately, he's not a Jaffna Tamil and therefore is completely unworthy of assuming the mantle of Tamil National Leader (Thesiya Thalaivar).

Arjunan Ethirveerasingham: Arjunan has absolutely no military experience and probably can't speak Tamil, but his family is from Jaffna so that makes him way more qualified than Ram. Only problem with Arjunan is that he's a talker not much of a doer. Blah blah blah very articulate but the average Eelamoid isn't able to follow along. Peter has similar problems- he works too hard to cover up his lies. Our original Thalaivar didn't talk but did a great deal- to bring the Sri Lankan Tamils to ruin. Our new Thalaivar needs similar qualities.

Upul: Upulanathan has a lot of creditable features that make him a strong credit for Thalaivar. He isn't too bright and doesn't write very well. That makes him trustworthy. Also he can be easily manipulated which will give Eelamoids fantasies of becoming the power behind the throne.

What do you all think?

smelly cat said...

Nevergiveup,

I disagree with Wijayapala.

I don't speak a word in Norwegian, but, I think You should continue writing in Norwegian. Because to me you make more sense writing in Norwegian than in English

Unknown said...

"But of course ONLY the Tamils should vote. We all agree that everybody is born equal. But you know...Tamils are more 'equal' than others."

Umm if the issue was concerning Tamils then yes ONLY tamils should vote, should we have asked all Indonesians to vote on whether Timorreans should be free? What would have been the outcome of such a farce...use your brain.

redblitz said...

[The fact that you can't write in Tamil language is proof enough for the Sinhalese that the diaspora will never be a threat.]

I doubt this... just because the louder ones in the older generation are fools that are easily brainwashed does not mean the same for the rest. In fact the danger for SL's future within the diaspora comes from the silent segment of the diaspora. It is amongst this segment there exist the successful engineers, doctors, lawyers and businessmen. Just because these people never supported the LTTE does not mean they don't support Tamil nationalism or the well being of the Tamil people.

You have to just look from Raj Rajaratnam (American billionaire) to M.I.A. to see how the Tamils have fared in the free world. Had the Sinhalese bigots been kept on a leash in the 50s and 60s the Tamils along with the Burghers would have transformed Sri Lanka into another Singapore.

While Castro's goons struggle foolishly to retain the LTTE's overseas empire, KP will prevail. This is why Tamilnet (pressured by Castro's men in London) has yet to be forthright about VP's death. Furthermore this is why KP only gave one Canadian radio station an interview. When all is said and done tt is KP and no one else that holds the keys to all the overseas bank accounts.

Very soon the LTTE will fold or be forgotten with the rise of an international Tamil body. One that will not be stained with the LTTE's mistakes. The sooner this happens, the sooner the ball can get rolling. It is time the older generation give the reins away and let the young'uns take leadership.

smelly cat said...

Veeran, It may be in the interests of India to annex North and East. In fact they'd love to have the whole country as another Indian state, wouldn't that be great for Indian security concerns.But if they couldn't/didn't want to do that when there was so much chaos during the past three decades just why/how do you think they are going to do that now?

Veeran said...

[ It may be in the interests of India to annex North and East.

if they couldn't/didn't want to do that when there was so much chaos during the past three decades just why/how do you think they are going to do that now ]

Now India will slowly strangulate Srilanka with its resources to take over Entire Country & make it dependent like how Nepal is.

India interests were thwarted by VP & now that he is nomore, India will have a free reign all over Sri lanka. But incase China gets maximum foot hold in Srilanka, India will not hesitate to again make noises for Eelam tamils thereby creating hell again for Srilanka.

Sri Lanka will have to be always subserviant to the whims & fancies of Big brother india.

redblitz said...

smelly_cat the Indians would never intervene in SL after the LTTE assassinated RG. Now that the LTTE is history a whole new can of worms is open.

The Chinese intend of having a cold war with the Indians to preempt any future rise of India's strategic options. This is being played out in Myanmar now and has been played out in Pakistan for a while.

Sri Lanka will soon join this list. Furthermore the Americans are also starting to realize the significance of the Indian Ocean region geostrategically for any future great power game. One only has to check out Kaplan's pieces on the Indian Ocean.

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/64832/robert-d-kaplan/center-stage-for-the-21st-century

http://www.tampabay.com/news/perspective/article990022.ece

smelly cat said...

Revenge "Umm if the issue was concerning Tamils then yes ONLY tamils should vote"

Thats the whole issue. We wouldn't mind if Tamils hold a referendum 'whether to go on a picnic or not'.That concerns only Tamils. But what they are trying to decide is the territorial integrity of Sri Lanka, every inch of which belongs to ALL Sri Lankans. Don't you think it's of concern to other Sri Lankans that they should loose 2/3 of the coastline and 1/3 of the landmass of the country?Come on, get realistic. You can't decide to give or take what's not yours in the first place. Even Sinhalese alone can't vote on giving up the North and East or any other part of the country for that matter. GET IT?

redblitz said...

smelly_cat Sri Lanka's current territorial boundaries are easily malleable as the great military powers see fit. Look at Yugoslavia... Unfortunately right now it is not in their perceived interests to partition SL, but that does mean it will be so in the future. Given time perceived interests change.

Veeran said...

Smelly cat is a novice in Referrendum issues. When quebec wanted freedom, did Whole of Canada Participated in it ?

When East timor referendum was done, did whole of Indonesia participated in it ?

When two people apply for Divorce, it is enough if one of the Opinion supports divorce.

That is the INTERNATIONAL law.

Anonymous said...

[smelly cat said...

Revenge "Umm if the issue was concerning Tamils then yes ONLY tamils should vote" ]


Yes, look at my previous posting ... it concerns the singhala barbarians too as they have enjoyed killing Eelam Tamils for the last 60+ years ...


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Sacktheish said...

who is the dictatorship?

Shit lanka

never listened to anyone.

Ashok Kumar said...

Prabhakaran had told in an interview that he had equipped LTTE to carry on for atleast 40 years even after his death.

In another quote given by Fr.Jagath Kasper he had declared to his commanders that we would fight till the end and attain matryrdom and let the people be inspired to take forward the struggle.

Whether he is alive or not, he would have definitely planned for the future of the struggle, organization and people for which he had spent his whole life time. If that is so, he must have planned succession also.

One quote says that LTTE has a fleet of 70 ships under various names. Many such assets could be there worldwide.

Now there is an open power struggle. One side is KP and on the other side spokespersons are Nedumaran, Vaiko supported by Tamilnet, Pudhinam etc.

Who represents really the organization is the question. All the three were close to Prabhakaran.

KP speaks about political solution. But Nedumaran says that various divisions of LTTE are spread throughout North and East and will resort to querilla warfare soon.

By the above stand, it looks like atleast some commanders are still in contact with Nedumaran and voicing their opinion through him.

Then the next question is that if VP is dead, whether any LTTE insider like KP played a role in it?

If VP is not alive, this internal struggle will intensify. Intelligence departments will play their part.

Only we are not able to even pay tribute to the leader whom we all loved because still one section keeps saying he is alive.

Veeran said...

Tamils have to make Distinction between Dead Ltte issues & Tamils issues.

1. Let LTTE be dead for they did not deliver Eelam even after unwavering support for 30 long years by Diaspora.

2. Let there be a rethink on Indian Support among Eelam tamils if tamils are to be given honor & dignity in srilanka.India can be the ONLY asian country that can possibly support autonomy of tamils

3. Moderate Leadship shld evolve from Tamil Diaspora like OBAMA who can / shld think out of the box to alleviate sufferings of Eelam tamils.

Anonymous said...

[nevergiveup said...

VP er svært trist om sin sønn. Våre venner reddet mange ledere inkludert Poddu. Drømmer aldri dø. ]



you also recently posted that you watched a video of sooriyathevan talking after he was killed on the 19th and the video would be released soon. now, you also add that several escaped by subs. many here hope to receive confirmations from you soon!


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Ashok Kumar said...

Even I feel that India will try to keep the entire Srilanka under its control like what they have done in Nepal.

Otherwise they would prefer Bhutan model and try to grab the entire island.

They will not be interested in just taking up Tamil areas, as they would be antaginizing and driving sinhalese into the chinese hands.

Precisey for the same reason, they are not supporting Eelam formation.

Anonymous said...

[nevergiveup said...

VP er svært trist om sin sønn. Våre venner reddet mange ledere inkludert Poddu. Drømmer aldri dø. ]



nevergiveup insists on the sub! if the leadership had escaped, it'd not be done by Norway alone ... thee must be several countries behind it including the usa, france, uk, etc...



leaders in india are all either "jokers" or selfish animals. if the ltte wants to continue the hit-&-run war effectively in the shit lanka, then the KP's dept should provide the supplies!

it is prudent for the SP to declare a political war for 5-6 months until the military units are put in place with supplies. during this space, political efforts must be tried out!


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smelly cat said...

Obviously in the modern global village every nation is more or less influenced by the interests of the other.But let's not exaggerate the Indian factor.Just because India wants this or that doesn't mean that they are going to get it always their way.If that were the case, like I stated before, what prevented them from completely annexing the whole of Sri lanka to begin with? Especially now that India has conceded the strongest tool it had to mold Sri Lanka in line with Indian interests-- The LTTE.

One mistake Prabhakaran did was also to overestimate the Indian factor in the war.TamilNadu acted as if The president of Sri lanka is none other than Manmohan Singh. In international politics things are a little more complex than 'might is right'.As Manmohan singh pointed out, any intervention in Sri lanka by India would have other ramifications on other Indian Interests, especially as a country herself battling with separatism.

India will play her cards for her advantage we have to play ours.If there is anything the Mahinda Rajapaksha government proved was that we CAN and MUST stand up to our own interests.And we CAN prevail, as long as we are ready to put ALL we have, our heart and soul, behind whatever action we decide to take.Because although India and other super powers are much stronger than us in every department they won't pitch EVERYTHING in their arsenal against us because it's not as worth to them as it's to us.

We MUST shake this colonial defeatist mentality at least now..It already almost cost us 1/3 of the country.

Anonymous said...

[ashokkumar2103 said...

Even I feel that India will try to keep the entire Srilanka under its control like what they have done in Nepal.

Otherwise they would prefer Bhutan model and try to grab the entire island.

They will not be interested in just taking up Tamil areas, as they would be antaginizing and driving sinhalese into the chinese hands.

Precisey for the same reason, they are not supporting Eelam formation. ]



for india ideal situation would be to have ceylon as 2 states of india - one tamil and one singhalas. but, as you say, singhala would never accept this because with this, they will never be able to kill tamils. this would be immensely missed by all singhala barbarians!

however, the usa can have a go at it:

1. usa has said openly that there is no problem with the china taking the south. this really annoys india, but the usa does not mind.

2. without breaking the island, the usa/nato will not be able to take the trinco with india sitting like a dog in the manger.

3. india is not as important as china (who is supplying money to the usa) or the trinco harbor to the usa!

4. if the shit lanka is broken, tamils would be more than happy to be protected by the nato/usa from trinco!


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Indian said...

//ashok said,
Prabhakaran had told in an interview that he had equipped LTTE to carry on for atleast 40 years even after his death//

He even said capturing Kilinochchi is MR's daydream - isnt it?

Clearly you guys seems to be putting a lot of emphasis on what they said but completely forget the fact that they are saying those to satisfy the gallery(The diaspora who pour in the $ and want only to hear that)

VP is a guy who promised pattu vetti to the innocent people there but finally he made sure they lost even their kovanam.The sooner you accept it,the better.

Under current circumstances,I believe,Srilanka's MI along with RAW have succesfully managed to confuse the diaspora and have made sure that the SPLIT IS WIDE OPEN for all to see.

But forsure,diaspora is clearly in எதை தின்னால் பித்த‌ம் தெளியும் stage and are willing to digest whatever is farted to them by arivazhagan,vetrikumaran,Nedumaran,nevergiveup etc

Sacktheish said...

lets just ignore the sinhalese on this blog. they just clearly can't understand what freedom is.

Anonymous said...

[info said...

lets just ignore the sinhalese on this blog. they just clearly can't understand what freedom is. ]



no no ... they over-enjoy freedom at the expense of tamils (i.e. freely killing tamils) and they do not understand how it'd be to live like eelam tamils in the shit lanka!



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Veeran said...

Guys,

Do u know why Tamils lost even with so many resources, against sinhalese who has NO resource ?

it is called as UNITY. They stood United while tamils were DIVIDED with so many voices.

NOw the Division is getting more & more wider with all the leaders speaking in so many voices & Bleak future is awaiting for the Tamils in IDPs.

This is sad but real.

smelly cat said...

Veeran, If your understanding on referendums was International law as you state, How many countries in the world would have fragmented by now?

Even your example of a divorce is flawed.

In a case of divorce either both parties have to agree or if it's done against the wishes of one party the burden is on the other to prove comprehensively that no marriage is possible under ANY circumstances whatsoever.

You are not granted a divorce just because you want one or you are not in love anymore.

The international community regected the Diaspora Genocide claim.

And thats the verdict!

You are stuck with us whether you like it or not.Now let's kiss.

Veeran said...

[You are stuck with us whether you like it or not.Now let's kiss. ]

Hahahahaha !

I dont mind kissing a Cat. but slightly hesitant due to ur Smell i.e past experiences of tamils .

There has not been yet a statement from SL that makes tamils to feel like srilanka yet.
There is no movement to heal the wounds in the minds & bodies of IDP tamils there.

Veeran said...

[ If your understanding on referendums was International law as you state, How many countries in the world would have fragmented by now?
]

In this case LTTE could not make any headway coz they were discredited first & also No country was ready to support their referendum option.

[
In a case of divorce either both parties have to agree or if it's done against the wishes of one party the burden is on the other to prove comprehensively that no marriage is possible under ANY circumstances whatsoever.]

as far as i know, it is enough when a person applies for divorce in court of law & the Onus is on the other person to prove that they can live happily together since no court will take the case without the accuser giving a valid reason in first place.
[
You are not granted a divorce just because you want one or you are not in love anymore.
]

That is the case in Most of the Civilised nations.

Rajah said...

Veeran,

yes we are divided but all of us have only one destination "freedom for tamils" . so its safe to say we are remaining united.

smelly cat said...

Veeran, ["There has not been yet a statement from SL that makes tamils to feel like srilanka yet."]

How about the statement the president made in Parliament after crushing the LTTE, IN TAMIL, mind you. How is that for a start.You've got to agree he restrained himself from a much anticipated triumphant speech he could've easily made to the gallery to get Sinhala votes in the next election.

How about the statement he made that there are no minorities or majorities in the country anymore.There are only patriots and traitors.And it doesn't depend on whether you are Sinhalese Tamil or Muslim.

If that statement is not enough to make you feel Sri lankan can you suggest what you think is the exact statement he should make.

It's only a week since elimination of terrorism from the country.It's unfair to jump to conclusions.

Veeran said...

[If that statement is not enough to make you feel Sri lankan can you suggest what you think is the exact statement he should make.]

The Core of the Ltte Leadership is gone forever & there is no need to still show the bogey of LTTE to world & not give a Political Soln to tamils as excuse. Actions must speak better than words.

The Minimum needed to be given is 13th amendent in merging north & east & giving Police Power to tamils to govern them.

[
It's only a week since elimination of terrorism from the country.It's unfair to jump to conclusions ]

So u want two years to keep them in the barbed wires caged like animals ?

This is too inhumane.

Ashok Kumar said...

Jeyam,

I beleive 'equipped' in the sense, resources wise, organization structure wise etc. I read in one blog about the intelligence department setup of LTTE and was stunned.

Now, with the military defeat, they may not be appreciated much. Time should tell whether all those efforts have gone in vain or not.

frackster said...

Jackass Info...
[Shit lanka
never listened to anyone.]
ur so called Shit lanka is a democratically elected government ..ppl don't elect governments to listen to world opinion..governments are suppose to listen to the people who elected them...
if gov decides to listen to int opinion it as a courtesy

FreedomFighter said...

Indian, i know there lot of theorys around. But i can see hiden intention of you in discrediting
LTTE leadership even now.

If there is division, there will be only more dangerous for Sri Lanka and India on what they
could choose to do. This would look like real IRA vs IRA situation.

Malin said...

Guys Look at the Reality , MR, GR, is going to be in charge of this country for coming 5-7 years.. buy that time ends it would be a probability of these two possibilties...

1. Sri lanka would have offendded every friendly nation it has because of MR politics and virtually would be forced to Give elam to tamils.

2. MR been the cunning bastered he is, would have populated north and east with muslims tamils and Sinhalese. making it truely one Sri Lanka.

What you all think would happen? Lets wait and see.

Malin said...

I've heard plans are in motion to build two large Military bases in Kilinochchi and Mulla.. (Not confirmed) there are plans to build villages to house families of the military personal too.

More than this the Muslims that are going to be settled in the north and east has much higher birth rates than sinhalese or Tamils.. would it be possible in the future tamils are going to be truly a minority even below muslims..

Malin said...

Roy Muller very true about the population. First it would take over Tamil population then in the coming 30-50 years it will match upto the Sinhala population too..

Veeran said...

[Roy Muller very true about the population ]

Stop Sending ur Home maids to Arabian countries who are enjoying a good ride at hands of the arabian horses & forget abt the lazy lions.

Rajah said...

my Calculated guessing Next Sinhalese attack on Muslims then Sinhalese Christiane , They have done with Indian Tamils , Beger, Tamils. they have already started with Sinhalese Christiane in small level like burning church.

Roy Muller said...

Anti Sri Lanka protest - Malaysia 24/5/09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgwV8uIeLyE&feature=channel_page

Roy Muller said...

Rajah - I predict the same, Sinhalas will target Muslims next.

Tamils have suffered enough and they will need another 20 to 30 years to recover from the damages inflicted upon them by SLA/GOSL, LTTE, India and the world.

Let nature take its cause, after all Sri Lanka will be self destroyed in one way or another ..

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

["How about the statement the president made in Parliament after crushing the LTTE, IN TAMIL, mind you."]

He killed 10,000 Tamil civilians, wounded 40,000 and then we should be happy because he said 4 or 5 words in Tamil? What I remember is how he keeps telling us we will get a home grown Buddhist solution, and how he shouts that the lion flag is flying everywhere. We all know what the lion is. I don't think the Tamils want a Buddhist solution.

FreedomFighter said...

Malin. When you making big plans for Tamils future you need add the right variables to the future.

This war is at this point because it was India's will.

I do not think they will allow Muslim establishing in the north. Also to keep sri lanka in its place India will do certain
things. They will always hold on to the
sri lanks's week points. Sri Lanka is not anyone will trust, if they do they will be doomed.


Geopolitical interest in sri lanka remains high.

Peter said...

Badri,

I think your criticism of TN is a little harsh.

They didn't have a reporter or any independent sources who witnessed the demise of the leadership to report on it. Neither have they seen nor have independent sources that have seen the leadership to say that they are alive.

TN has had three statements last week from three different departments.

1. Department for International Relations says leadership is gone.

2. Department for Diaspora Affairs says they don't know; they are asking for a little bit more time.

3. Intelligence Wing says leadership is safe.

TN has reported all three.

As they say, all TN got from GoSL were video of body saying VP, a photo of body suggesting (not even saying) Soosai and not even photos of any other leaders (Col. Bhanu, etc.)

There were no postmortems, no official DNA verification and no show of body to international media.

India, US, etc., have not confirmed anything either.

I think the agenda published by TN's editorial team is very clear.

Whatever may be the status of VP, important role for people concerned about welfare of Tamils is to push through changes, starting with release of people from internment camps.

There is zero value for Tamils in debating the fate of VP.

FreedomFighter said...

It is in the in the intres of India to make sure that singalisations of tamil area do not take place.

Also its in the interest of India that a lasting solution for Tamils will have to come.

Because of the fact next eelam war might involve the other players. So to avoid things have to be sorted out now.

Rajah said...

hi,
i don't think there going to be any fight between Muslims and Tamils.Muslims spread all over island specially in Sinhalese dominated areas there population increasing. in east there have problem with budist. due to Buddha status build up. till today Buddhist monk had tamil/ltte as enemy.now we are defeated. so they will turn to Muslims.

Peter said...

FreedomFighter,

India is our enemy when we are strong, and our friend when we are weak. That's how it has been, and, as far as strategic interests are concerned, rightly so.

An all powerful GoSL will cosy up with anyone as it pleases. In fact, Tamil militancy was armed and assisted by India to bring GoSL under control when it attempted to move towards other powers.

Now, India will work to ensure that there is sufficient pressure-cum-threat to keep GoSL under its sphere of influence.

Rajah said...

if case of conflict between Sinhalese and Muslims. Tamil should not involved. muslims might won, it better sit back and relax. any how muslims will rule sri lanka in 50 years, who knows they may even change country name from sri lanka to "al lanka" :)

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

["I do not think they will allow Muslim establishing in the north."]

If we don't get Eelam, then we will support Jihadis to form a Muslim country in Sri Lanka. Anything that hurts Sri Lanka.

wijayapala said...

"Does Smelly cat know what happen to East Pakistan ?
If Tamils are suppressed & china takes a major Strong hold in South of Colombo, dont rule out this option by India
"

Does Veeran know what happened to Rajiv Gandhi and the last Indian intervention?

If India sends troops again to SL, they will return home 2-3 years later again, heads down in shame and defeat.

Unknown said...

" You can't decide to give or take what's not yours in the first place. Even Sinhalese alone can't vote on giving up the North and East or any other part of the country for that matter. GET IT?"

Smelly cat you are the one who doesn't GET IT, again Indonesia and the Indonesians claime East Timore as part of their country, so there is no difference here, first hold a referendum let the Tamil people voice their opinion on the matter - THEN you can discuss which parts of the island belong to them and boundries and such, BUT the bottom line is that no where in the world do they ask the oppressor to also vote in the referendum held by the oppressed.

Rajah said...

" Jihadis to form a Muslim country in Sri Lanka. Anything that hurts Sri Lanka."

i believe that too, India (raw) have miltan groups in Pakistan to0, i think Pakistan successfully made ground work and established jihads group in east. later Muslims leader manage to bring under control. raw may be use them.

Sacktheish said...

Tamil and Sinhalese can live peacefully...A statement made by a Sinhalese.

Sinhalese say that Tamils don't want an independent homeland.

Why don't we hold a referendum just to make sure...

Peter said...

Badri and Rajah,

i would disagree with you guys on that. Muslims are far worse the Sinhalese.

One of the best things Karuna ever did was insist on removal of Muslims from Jaffna.

I think you need to have grownup in the 'East' to fully understand the venomous capabilities of the Muslims.

Anyhow, I see vast majority of them moving towards Colombo and Gampaha. They are scavengers who were clever enough to set-up English medium private schools throughout the past two decades.

I was in Colombo earlier in the year. Most middle rank positions in private sector, i.e. jobs that require English language literacy, are held, almost exclusively, by Muslims.

FreedomFighter said...

What if we all tamils become muslims and join hands with Pakistan to take revange.


Just joking. Otherwise Bansa's will ban religious conversion in lanka.

Peter said...

In fact, Karuna's biggest mistake as of lately was allowing Muslims into his outfit.

For that he paid the price when Asad Moulana managed to break Karuna group in Pilliyan group and also get Ragu assassinated.

Now Karuna does not keep a single Muslim anywhere near him. He doesn't even work with Muslims, bar one or two official meetings held under pressure.

wijayapala said...

Dear redblitz,

"You have to just look from Raj Rajaratnam (American billionaire) to M.I.A. to see how the Tamils have fared in the free world. Had the Sinhalese bigots been kept on a leash in the 50s and 60s the Tamils along with the Burghers would have transformed Sri Lanka into another Singapore."

Yup- you guys did an excellent job developing the Wanni which was under your control for nearly the last 20 years. And to think that Colombo could have become the next Puthukkudiyiruppu!

"While Castro's goons struggle foolishly to retain the LTTE's overseas empire, KP will prevail. When all is said and done tt is KP and no one else that holds the keys to all the overseas bank accounts."

That is why I am a little worried what KP will do with those bank accounts. All of us Eelamoids are mindlessly hoping that he will continue to bankroll the iyakkam, but KP might just pocket the cash. He was willing to lie outright to the Tamils regarding Thalaivar's fate.

Thank you for confirming the Castro vs KP duel. We look forward to watching the infighting fester.

wijayapala said...

Hi Revenge,

"first hold a referendum let the Tamil people voice their opinion on the matter - THEN you can discuss which parts of the island belong to them and boundries and such,"

If we have referendum for Tamils then I think we should also allow referendum for Muslims to take territory away from Tamileelam. What do you think Revenge.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

More state sponsored Buddhism:

"Navy conducts first ever alms giving on board a ship"

wijayapala said...

"I think you need to have grownup in the 'East' to fully understand the venomous capabilities of the Muslims.

Anyhow, I see vast majority of them moving towards Colombo and Gampaha. They are scavengers who were clever enough to set-up English medium private schools throughout the past two decades.
"

LOL!!!!

So Muslims are venomous scavengers.. because they want to learn English and better themselves!

Let's be sure to clarify that Eelamoids are NOT scavengers who beg the IC to rescue them from their own mess. Eelamoids are also totally honest judging by KP's consistent statements about Thalaivar's fate.

LMAO!

wijayapala said...

Eelamoids like Peter are a blessing to Sinhala hegemony. As long as there are Peters out there in the diaspora, we can be rest assured that the Tamils will continue to be fed lies and will never be able to make common cause with the other minorities. Truly a tool.

Sacktheish said...

wijayapala poolal,

how many Tamils blogs do you visit and post your shit.

LankaBoy_007 said...

Blah blah.. so sake of hurting sihales you try scarifies your elam (dream land. and you will be stateless forever? good for you. ltte gone once for all you fool key board worries come here shit here try to be smart and still nothing change tomorrow. you don’t really know about sinhales. yes if you kill one of us we will kill thousands of you. yes we are not that stupid like did in the 83. their are systematic methods to do that. at least it would take another 15- 20 yrs tamils in sri lanka to recover and ge in the main stream. by time that would too late. sri lankan muslims are not that stupid. most of them doesnt want start fighting with sinhales they know the outcome. MR and GR also planning to colonize North and East. More like to they would hunt down and kill any elamoid bastards regardless of they are operating from sri lanka or abroad. As we can see problem already looming about leadership of LTTE. why anybody want to lead the defeated and failed group. coz they know how stupid are you. all these are business my friends.

Roy Muller said...

When Tamil are reduced into a minority (thru war and genocide) , they will be out of the SL political equation.
Next will be the conflict between muslims and Buddhist, 2 main ethnic groups. How much this would translate into a civil war, is yet to be known.

Malin need not worry about NE's growing Muslim pop, Muslims are well spread throughout SL e.g e.g Colombo, Galle etc has more Muslims than Tamils

Wijayapala[Eelamoids like Peter are a blessing to Sinhala hegemony]

Perhaps you should read Mahavamsa to update urself on Buddhist hegemony.
Buddhists have been taught by their clergy that Tamils are their enemies. Since 1950s Buddhists have been going after the blood of their imaginary enemy -Tamils.

But the outdated and obselete Mahavamsa written 1000 yrs ago, didnt anticiapte the arrival of Moors Islam/ muslim into the country and posing a real threat to SL buddhism.

abc said...

http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/lorrie_goldstein/2009/05/24/9550996-sun.html

Roy Muller said...

LankanBoy 007[you don’t really know about sinhales. yes if you kill one of us we will kill thousands of you]

I agree with you, this is something VP/LTTE were not able to grap even in their last hours. For every SL soldier killed, Sinhala terrorist butchered 10000s of Tamils. Thanks for being honest and acknowleding the truth.

Bhairav said...

Why sellout, Indian, hangs out here? Did he build temple for his fallen visionary leader or Pasta lady?

Roy Muller said...

While on the SL Muslim, when I visited Colombo in 2003, lost my way and walk past a Muslim ghetto (near Taj Samudra Hotel) I noticed walls this Muslim neighourhood, were painted with pictures of Saddam Hussein and slogans condemning USA and praising SH ... now tat was REAL

Malin said...

Muslims are spread across south I agree. Chances of starting fight with muslims are less because thier prefer to migle with crowed. They dont mind doing bussiness with sinhalese or tamils as long as they have profit in the outcome.

And for god sake dont depend on india for everything.. india will do this.. india will do that.. India dont care about ellam.. what india care about in controlling sri lanka.

THERE WAS TWO DREAMS THAT SEEMS WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

1. GETTING ELAM
2. DESTROYING LTTE

One of the dreams have come true all because of one man's will of iron. Lets see what this man can do more for this country... :)

wijayapala said...

Hi Roy Muller,

"Buddhists have been taught by their clergy that Tamils are their enemies."

Eelamoids have been taught by their Sun God (dead or alive?) that Muslims are their enemies. What do you think about that.

wijayapala said...

Muslim Resistance to LTTE in East First Major Obstacle to Eelam.

Monday, May 25, 2009

Muslims across the island joined in the national celebrations that marked the end of three decades of war, culminating in the liberation of the brutalized Tamils, Muslims, and Sinhalese of the Northern and Eastern Provinces of Sri Lanka. Indeed, the end of Velupillai Prabakaran, signifies the liberation of the entire country, nearly 504 years after the Portuguese invasion of Sri Lanka in 1505. Mosques, Muslim homes and businesses joined the rest of the country in hoisting the National Flag and saluting the armed forces.

Many of them stopped their vehicles at check points and served sweets to the young soldiers on duty. I heard of many others who had walked into Buddhist temples and shared their new found joy of "freedom with security". There were still others who shared with the Tamils, the freedom that they would henceforth enjoy in the North, in an identical manner they did in the rest of the country.

The purpose of this contribution is limited to place the answers to these questions before the public, though it is time that the Muslims consider serious programmes that will help the community forge ‘unity in diversity’ and ‘integration with identity’.

Muslims, particularly of the North and East, became the first major obstacle to the Eelam project, to which more detailed reference will be made later on. Muslim resistance resulted in the expulsion of over 100,000 Muslims from the North by the LTTE, followed by the killings of large numbers of Muslims by the LTTE in several districts in the east ending in brutal massacres.

It is best that I quote the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Sri Lanka Rohitha Bogollagama, who addressing a meeting of Heads of Missions of Muslim countries based in Colombo on 11th March, 2009 soon after the suicide bomb attack at the Godapitiya Jumma Mosque in Akuressa, targeting the National Milad-un-Nabi festival, on 10th March, had this to say:

wijayapala said...

“The Muslim community in this country has co-existed peacefully with both the Sinhalese and the Tamil communities and lived amidst them for centuries. The Muslims, particularly in the North and the East of Sri Lanka have been especially targeted by the LTTE for their resolute opposition to the separatist agenda espoused by the LTTE. For their stubborn defiance, the Muslims have paid a heavy price. The LTTE commenced its murderous campaign against the Muslims in the East by launching coordinated attacks on the Meera Jumma and Husseiniya Mosques in Kattankudy on 3rd August 1990, in which 147 worshippers were gunned down, as they knelt in prayer. The fear psychosis that was instilled in the Muslim community by the LTTE was reinforced by further massacres carried out on isolated Muslim villages in the Eastern Province. The Palliyagodella village was targeted in October 1991 in which 109 Muslim men, women and children were brutally hacked to death in their sleep by women and child cadres of the LTTE. This also marked the beginning of the induction of women and children by the LTTE to carry out cold blooded massacres of civilians in other parts of the country as well.”

“The ethnic cleansing of the entire Muslim community in the Northern Province, which the LTTE carried out in October 1990 with cold blooded and clinical precision, stands out in the annals of world history as a chapter written in shame of the wholesale uprooting and expulsion of an entire ethnic community which has lived for generations in that part of the country. Even today, 18 years after this shameful incident, these Muslims numbering over 100,000 are still languishing in IDP camps in the Puttalam district and other parts of Sri Lanka, as refugees in their own country.”

The end of the LTTE, responsible for these massacres caused to the Muslims - because they were Muslims - is sufficient cause for the Muslims of Sri Lanka to celebrate firstly as Sri Lankans but more so as Muslims. Their resistance to Eelam was the first major obstacle that helped defeat terrorism in Sri Lanka.

Another relevant factor to be recalled in this connection is that many Muslims who served in the country’s forces, mainly from the Malay community of Muslims, have laid down their lives in battling terrorism.

They are too many to be named here. All credit should no doubt go to the Commander in Chief President Mahinda Rajapakse, his brother, Defence Secretary Gotabhaya Rajapakse, the Service Commanders and their men and women and to all those mostly from the forces who laid down their lives in this war.

wijayapala said...

Equally important is the role played by Members of Parliament, in ensuring that the Mahinda Rajapakse government enjoyed a secure majority in Parliament, throughout the period of the war. For a Government threatened to be defeated in the first Budget it presented to Parliament, credit must be given to President Rajapakse and his brother M.P. Basil Rajapakse for ingeniously ensuring a stable parliamentary majority, which included almost all the Muslim Members, who stood with the Government all along the war, excluding an insignificant minority.

The country will not forget another factor of relevance which contributed immensely for the government’s successful prosecution of the war, namely the contribution of Muslim countries in contrast to many countries from the West. Pakistan, Iran and Libya, in addition to China came out effectively to off-set the negative impacts on the country’s external resources, vital to continuously oil the war machinery and replenish stocks.

India, our important and immediate friend, helped notwithstanding all local pressures to the contrary, from Tamil Nadu. Pakistan and China supplied essential weapons, though at a price while Iran kept Sri Lanka economically going in 2008 with an interest free credit package for oil purchases valued at US$ 700 Million, in addition to two major project aids to the tune of US$ 1.4 Billion, the highest single country contribution to Sri Lanka, so far. The oil credit package helped Sri Lanka defeat the LTTE’s expectations of an economic fall out of the Sri Lankan Government.

wijayapala said...

PART II

In assessing the Muslims’ contribution

by 1985, the LTTE was growing as a critical force in the East, following the failure of President Jayawardene from 1978 onwards, to crush the LTTE then in its formative years. I had by 1983 left the Attorney-General’s Department as Senior State Counsel, after 10 years of service to the state. I had retainers from the Eastern Courts and the late M.H.M. Ashraff at that time had a wide practice in the courts of law in the East. Hashim, a former teacher and Advocate from Akkaraipathu who first alerted me to the coming events. His own son had become the Area Leader of the LTTE for Akkaraipathu. He was angry he could not stop his own son from joining the armed group. There were several other young Muslims who were joining the LTTE in numbers. They had lost confidence in both the UNP and the SLFP, and that was why they were joining the Tamils fighting for autonomy, he told me, and if this is not stopped, this would spell great danger, more for the Muslims outside the North-East. I spoke to Ashraff, I told him, the time has come for us to address this growing danger of Muslim boys joining the LTTE. He understood the repercussions and the likely fall-out. He was ready to give up his lucrative practice and form a Muslim Party, as the only way to arrest all possible damages.

As law students, we had our sympathies with the SLFP, following the post of Minister of Education being given to a Muslim, the late Dr. Badiuddin Mahmud by Mrs. Sirimavo Bandaranaike. Ashraff said a Muslim party was the only answer to prevent Muslims joining the LTTE. He also said, that we could not tell this reason to the country, as it would spell disaster for the Muslims in the East. I told him that the party must be confined to the East, as the majority in the South could misinterpret and become suspicious. He said the party, could not be either pro or anti-LTTE, as that would create problems for the Muslims in the East, who were living with the Tamils peacefully, as much as with the Sinhalese in the South. He was clear of the need to form a Muslim party, to absorb the Muslim youths and prevent the spread of the LTTE amongst the Muslims in the East.

Months later, the Sri Lanka Muslim Congress was formed in the East, with its leader Ashraff having to walk a ‘tight rope’ of keeping Muslim interests to be seen neither as anti-Sinhala nor anti-Tamil. This was an exceptionally challenging task for the SLMC with both the Sinhala and Tamil leaders soon becoming suspicious. The suspicions were mainly due to the superficial and shallow response of politicians and sections of the media to the major event of the emergence of a Muslim political party. Muslims in the UNP as well as the SLFP too found the SLMC an unhappy irritant.

Muslims in the east, however, joined the SLMC in large numbers .Whilst the SLMC succeeded in attracting the youths, the LTTE saw a huge threat in the SLMC for its projected objective of exclusive control over the North-East as the Tamil speaking homeland. LTTE’s attempts to give leadership to the Tamil speaking Muslims of the East was now doomed to fail with the SLMC emerging as the sole voice of the Muslims of the East,

wijayapala said...

The country must pay a tribute to the Muslims of the East, who stood under Ashraff’s SLMC flag and resisted firmly at a huge cost to their community, the LTTE’s attempts to inveigle the East into the tiger empire. This was indeed the first major obstacle to the Tiger dream of a Tamil homeland.

Previously labelled as ‘Tamil Speaking’ homeland, the LTTE soon found its attempts to encompass the culturally distinct, politically independent Eastern Muslims, who comprise nearly 1/3rd of the Muslim population of over two million in the entire country a frustrating failure! The repercussions were unbearably grave. Hundreds of Muslims whilst at prayers inside mosques, were brutally murdered, hundreds of Muslim policemen were lined up by the LTTE separated from Tamil policemen and shot to death, and large numbers returning home after performing Haj were ruthlessly assassinated by the LTTE.

Muslim businessmen, farmers, their farm lands and even their cattle were not spared. All this happened after nearly 100,000 Muslims were forcibly driven out from their homes in the North overnight and who found refuge in Puttalam, Anuradhapura and Polonnaruwa districts, where I led a team of FAMYS (Federation of Assemblies of Muslim Youths of Sri Lanka) volunteers from Colombo as the first group to help, with a Libyan donation of US$ 50,000.

In my view, the sacrifice of hundreds of lives of Muslims, the pain and suffering of thousands of other Muslim men, women and children exposed to LTTE brutalities - similar to the atrocities suffered by the Sinhalese - would place the Muslim resistance to the LTTE’s attempts to eelamise the East far above that of the much touted and most welcome defection of Karuna Amman alias Vinayagamoorthy Muralidaran and others from the LTTE. If the Muslims had lost sympathy for the Tamil struggle, the LTTE must blame only itself and perhaps also its arrogance.

It would not be an exaggeration to place on record that if not for the Muslim resistance beginning in the 1980’s the LTTE would have seen the birth of ‘Eelam’ comfortably, with the consequence of instant recognition by the West, ala Kosovo! When the opening paragraph of the Vaddukoddai Resolution of 14th May, 1976 of the ‘moderate’ Tamil United Liberation Front (TULF) referred to the “Tamils possessing the Northern and Eastern districts” - to the diabolical exclusion and the arrogant marginalisation of the Muslims and the Sinhalese - there was nothing that the Muslims could have hoped for, from the terribly extremist LTTE!

Bhairav said...

Tamils will realize arms struggles is necessary after next 6 months. Arms struggle should mainly target future Sinhala colonization in Wanni and Jaffna. Tamils have license to kill any Sinhala settlers in Tamil homeland.

Mango said...

This is better than tamilnet.tv :) Keep fighting the good fight. One thing's becoming obvious. As the physical boundaries of Eelam disappear, 'virtual' Eelam continues to expand. We're going to have to keep track of a bewildering number of Eelamish Departments.

Department for Diaspora Affairs (DDA) - this was recently seen on Tamilwhine.com

Let me help you guys out in your time of difficulties. It's tough trying to resurrect the Norwegian Blue of insurgency movements - that's a Monty Python reference and strangely apt for the LTTE's current predicament.

SAD (Special Assistance Department)

DEAD (Direct Eelam Assistance for Diaspora)

ARSE (Astronomy Research Special Eelam)

DIRE (Dept for International Relations of Eelam)

Yup. You guys definitely need more special departments.

Some of the demands being made by the Diaspora Eelamtards, like GOSL 'must' do this that or the other.. pure fantasy. The Eelam dream still hasn't acknowledged the hard reality of the SLA. I estimate at least another six months of fantasising and yearning for unattainable goals. It's like watching a heroin addict doing cold turkey.

These constant threats of 'guerilla warfare' by the LTTE. I think you'll find an SLA waiting for just such an eventuality. I can't think of a better scenario. It'll enable GOSL to permit the remaining LTTE hard core cadres to choose death, rather than re-integration into society.

As always, Dayan J gets to the heart of the matter:

Lesson 1:".....any attempt to revive terrorist or guerrilla war will result in a swift and decisive State response informed by the lessons of temporizing that cost us dearly. The Sri Lankan armed forces is saturated with officers and men steeled in the experience of successful warfare, and this will give us a formidable military machine for many years, even decades, to come."Lesson 2:"..because a small minority really cannot carve out a separate state on a small island on which the vast majority is unalterably opposed to the idea, is willing pay a heavy price and wage war to prevent such an outcome.http://www.island.lk/2009/05/25/features7.html

To the Diaspora Eelamtards: you'd better get started with 'Shagging for Eelam' to create the Master Race and then return to SL. This cannot be done from the UK or Norway.

Demographics... repeat after me, demographics.

Anonymous said...

[Bhairav said...

Tamils will realize arms struggles is necessary after next 6 months. Arms struggle should mainly target future Sinhala colonization in Wanni and Jaffna. Tamils have license to kill any Sinhala settlers in Tamil homeland. ]


it has to spread beyond north-east. fighting only in the north-east does not affect the singhala barbarins in the south!


ltte was not heavily terrorist like the al qaeda! Shit lanka will realize that fighting a fully terror organization like al qaeda is so difficult even for the USA as these organizations not based within the USA!

the same applies to india fighting numerous such terror organizations unsuccessfully as many organizations are not based in India! they just come attack and disappear!

however, the 1st choice is non-violent for at least 6 months as declared by SP to see if the problems can be settled, i.e. going back to 1948-1972 period once more!


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wijayapala said...

Dear Bhairav Thamby,

"Arms struggle should mainly target future Sinhala colonization in Wanni and Jaffna."

Sinhala racist friends on DW don't realize that it will be very difficult to "colonize" or "Sinhalize" Jaffna. Jaffna already is heavily populated even after this long war. It will be impossible to empty Jaffna of its occupants without severe repercussions.

Sorry to disappoint you Thamby- I know how much you want to see colonization so you can remain angry with Sinhalese.

wijayapala said...

Roy,

"With the exit of LTTE the relationship btw Tamil and Tamil Muslims should warm up..."

I don't know which Eelamoid to believe- you or Peter who says that Muslims are a greater threat to Tamils than Sinhalese. Which one of you is dumber than the other?

Roy Muller said...

wijayapala [don't know which Eelamoid to believe]

Peter - Pre LTTE
Roy Muller - Post LTTE

now you decide and am I a Eelamoid !!!!! what if I am Chinese or Malay *wink* wink ** ?????

MPJ said...

Mahindan10,

It was FBI that said LTTE is the world's no. 01 terrorist outfit...not Alqueda...no wonder their economy is in shit...

Mango said...

I refer you to an answer I gave on an earlier occasion.

Its now apparent that the intelligent Eelamtards have died in combat, leaving the 'Dumb & Dumber' Diaspora to carry on the 'struggle'.

Anonymous said...

Roy Muller said...

wijayapala [don't know which Eelamoid to believe]

Peter - Pre LTTE
Roy Muller - Post LTTE ]



Peter - Pre LTTE : 1948 - 1972?
Roy Muller - Post LTTE : after 2009 May 19th?

then who is during the ltte?


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Roy Muller said...

mahindab10[then who is during the ltte?]

Sinhaloids who else

wijayapala said...

From Ellalanforce:

LTTE split imminent

Kumar Pathmanathan (KP) and V. Mannivannan (Castro) row intensifies

The fact that KP (alias Selvarajah Pathmanathan) and Castro (Veerakulasingham Manivannan) dislike each other is an open secret. The row started when KP was appointed “Head of International Relations” an empowered role and Castro was appointed “Head of International Secretariat” a largely ceremonial role. KP was charged with weapons procurement and had access to millions if not billions of dollars worth of funds, Castro on the other hand was left to coordinate diaspora affairs. However, the wheel chair bound Castro (injured following a mortar attack) is the darling of the diaspora whereas KP has little or nothing to do with the diaspora. There is no love lost between KP and Castro, it is said that both Vellupillai Prabhakaran and Pottu Amman favoured KP over Castro. Castro is known for his hard line stance and for his ruthlessness, Pottu sensing rivalry, clipped Castro’s wings about two years ago.

In the current scenario, Castro’s activism may have triggered a schism in the LTTE diaspora. Following the Pottu affair, Castro regained his position in the LTTE. Castro has galvanized diaspora support around him and is trying to push KP out of the scene, LTTE media’s latest position is clear evidence of this, it is a well known fact that LTTE media is run and funded by the diaspora, they did not publish KP’s latest statement confirming the death of VP. Intel does not think KP will fight for the LTTE cause as he's a businessman and is not under pressure from the diaspora. Castro on the other hand must give the illusion that he is committed to the LTTE cause, how he achieves this without KP’s contacts, business acumen and more importantly the vast sums of money remains to be seen. As last note, we must mention that VP always had faith in KP.

EFT

wijayapala said...

The only problem with Mahen's argument is that Castro is probably dead.

Anonymous said...

[wijayapala said...

The only problem with Mahen's argument is that Castro is probably dead. ]




it is very common for the ltte members to be killed and re-born to suit the fictions of the modayas! we all understand!


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Anonymous said...

HAVE YOU NOTICED IT?

I remember seeing dead body of VP cleanly shaved and also with stubble.

Now I'm wondering if the stubble grew after he was killed in a cleanly shaved status.I also felt that the cleanly shaved face appeared fresh compared to the face with stubble, i.e. SLA did not shave him after killing first with stubble!

It is really possible VP being a Sun God.

I'd not be surprised if Sun-God resurrected as happened some 2000 years ago once before?


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Bhairav said...

I'm not sure why Tamils pretend as VP is alive. Get over with it guys. A picture of VP with only underwear showed by SLA was clearly the real VP. You do not need to trust the rumors but real picture?

Tamilnet is quickly losing its credibility to report the truth now. Why they want to play the fine line which most diaspora wanted to hear? Prolonging the irony won't help Tamils in the long run.

Bhairav said...

For me, regardless of whether KP is good guy or bad guy, he should be overthrown by Tamils. He should clearly accept the blame for demise of LTTE leadership.

Anonymous said...

[Bhairav said...

For me, regardless of whether KP is good guy or bad guy, he should be overthrown by Tamils. He should clearly accept the blame for demise of LTTE leadership. ]



U R wrong! Based on the latest news from the NFZ (according to Father Kaspor, also appeared in Nakkeran), all seniors in Vanni decided to stay put there to the end. I do not believe that KP encouraged them to stay on there even though the end was seen soon after the Ananthapuram losses!

It is also possible that KP could have been promised by an overseas person that these people will be saved if they drop their weapons! And KP could also have been fooled by this.

KP is the person with all the contacts and resources in addition was a v. trustworthy person (unlike Karuna, Pillayan, etc.)


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Anonymous said...

[Bhairav said...

I'm not sure why Tamils pretend as VP is alive. Get over with it guys. A picture of VP with only underwear showed by SLA was clearly the real VP. You do not need to trust the rumors but real picture?

Tamilnet is quickly losing its credibility to report the truth now. Why they want to play the fine line which most diaspora wanted to hear? Prolonging the irony won't help Tamils in the long run. ]



Nothing wrong in trying to make VP as the next Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose who is dead or alive?


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Anonymous said...

[Bhairav said...

I'm not sure why Tamils pretend as VP is alive. Get over with it guys. A picture of VP with only underwear showed by SLA was clearly the real VP. You do not need to trust the rumors but real picture? ]



there are a lot questions:

why MR did not mention anything about VP's death so far?

why SLA refuses to do DNA testing by a neutral party?

stubble growing after being killed?

many different stories like: committed mass suicide and exploded all in side a bunker, killed in an ambulance, killed in the lagoon and recovered, etc.


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Lion, Tiger and lies

SRI LANKA
Too many loose ends in Lankan army's version of Prabhakaran's death
By Anita Pratap

http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/theWeekContent.do?sectionName=Current+Events&contentId=5517792&programId=1073754900&pageTypeId=1073754893&contentType=EDITORIAL

Peter said...

"WE are in an open jail," Kumar whispers, his skinny shoulders shaking as he looks around to check who is watching. "Help us, we want to be free."

He is one of the 220,000 Tamil civilians being held against their will behind the razor-wire coils that surround Manik Farm, the largest displacement camp in Sri Lanka and one of the largest in the world.

Camp is not the word its inmates use for it. A prison and a concentration camp were two of the descriptions made to outsiders on a rare visit to the camp on the sidelines of the visit by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.

Squalor is less the defining feature of Manik Farm than militarism. The presence of armed soldiers around the camp and its perimeter is overwhelming. New armoured patrol vehicles sit at the entrance to the side of a sandbagged bunker.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25536585-2703,00.html

Peter said...

But another resolution, prepared by Switzerland and backed by 30 states including France, Britain, Germany, Canada, Mexico and Mauritius, calls for "full, safe and unhindered access of humanitarian assistance to all persons in need throughout the country" and says Colombo must do so without discrimination.

http://in.reuters.com/article/southAsiaNews/idINIndia-39865620090525

Anonymous said...

[Peter said...

But another resolution, prepared by Switzerland and backed by 30 states including France, Britain, Germany, Canada, Mexico and Mauritius, calls for "full, safe and unhindered access of humanitarian assistance to all persons in need throughout the country" and says Colombo must do so without discrimination. ]



nothing will happen if the GOSL just ignores this resolutino after being passed (as usual)?

or the GOSL says that we'll do it soon and the 'soon' never comes?


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Malin said...

if you coolies think having more catholics in the country will help you cause, then make sure there is "TAMIL" part in front of it.

Be cause we sinhalese will never give up our home land because of religion. Take it from catholic.

A religion is guide to show proper way of living, but been human we never follow the that path 100% including Tamil catholics and hindu's. Didnt jeasus say if somebody slaps your in cheek turn the other one also...

But from all you god loving tamil catholics which one will turn thier cheek :) LOL

So this is not about religion, its about been born as sri lankan. There is no room for Elam.

Anonymous said...

[Malin said...

if you coolies think having more catholics in the country will help you cause, then make sure there is "TAMIL" part in front of it.

Be cause we sinhalese will never give up our home land because of religion. Take it from catholic. ]




if so, how come so many fonsekas, pereras, fernandos, etc.? perhaps these were the results of screwing by the colonial bosses (compare to what is happening now in the mid-east by muslim bosses to singhala ladies)?



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Veeran said...

Tues is the day when world votes in UNHRC whether to take the Butcher brothers for Hague ride or not.

Mango said...

I bring very grave news for Eelamtards.Having just watched (on-line) your nemesis, Gen. Fonseka doing a post-match interview, the outlines of SLA doctrine for the foreseeable future is clear.

Never again allow a nascent LTTE to dominate any area, whether urban or jungle.Even if the LTTE manage to kill the entire SLA command structure, this doctrine won't change.

Peter, Badri et al: If you're hoping to hang around in the Vanni & Mulla jungles, hope you've got some damn effective jungle DPM/cammo. But then you guys aren't going to put yourselves in harms' way, are you?

I hope the SLA MI get this interview translated into English & Tamil for the widest possible distribution.

Let the Diaspora Eelamtards watch it so they can know beforehand what to expect in SL, should they attempt to start the same old shit, again.

Peter said...

Only diplomacy backed by potential for action would see the ball rolling with the IC.

KP is trying to bring the entire LTTE organization, civilians and Diaspora into a diplomatic fold to win over our rights
(to be freed from internment camps, to access our private property, without 'high security zone' hindrances, and to decide how and by whom we want to be governed)
by peaceful means.

However, there still remain lightly trained military units like Yarl Sellum Padayani in Jaffna, Illango Padayani in Trinco and Vinothan Padaiyani in Batticaloa, led by little known commanders like Vetrikumaran, Vimal and Ram.

These units and their commanders are not "hardcore". Only international inaction could possibly return them to violence.

IC has an example to show to disgruntled minorities around the world. It has an opportunity to show them that non-violence can guarantee people's right.

It is that we must be pushing for now; not debating about fate of leadership or any other matter beyond our information sphere.

Should diplomacy prove futile, I am sure the remaining cadres would lose patience and engage in random acts of violence. Thereafter, KP will also have to consider a return to his former role.

Otherwise we could end up like these people: http://www.irinnews.org/report.aspx?ReportId=74134

wijayapala said...

"These units and their commanders are not "hardcore"."

I dunno who the other two losers are, but Ram is certainly "hardcore." He used to be one of Karuna's subordinates but sided with Thalaivar in 2004 and got to watch as northerners were given command over Batticaloa-Amparai. Looks like Thalaivar didn't trust Ram very much despite his loyalty and long service as a commander.

If Ram wasn't hardcore then he would've surrendered to the SLA like his Wanni counterparts.

Mango said...

Hardcore or Softcore, I don't anticipate much of a future for any of these remaining ladies and gentlemen of Eelam.

My guess is that SLA MI are simply overwhelmed with info from captured & surrendered cadres, singing like canaries.

Mango said...

Hypothetically, just thinking out aloud, not at all likely, entirely without any foundation whatsoever, totally outside the bounds of possibility...

Is it possible or that sections of the London-based Eelamtard diaspora are making overtures to London-based SLA MI ?

I imagine, again totally without any foundation in fact whatsoever, without any credible evidence, that they're discussing how to deliver the biggest LTTE fundholders and deep-cover operatives in SL to you-know-who, in return for certain favours of a banking nature?

Not just banking but other info, too. Payoffs, property, shell companies.. you know the kind thing, right, Peter?

I think this is a totally outrageous suggestion.

It's utterly unthinkable for committed Eelamtards to be even thinking such heretical thoughts.

I'm sorry for even suggesting such a thing. Mea Culpa.

Peter, Badri, what do you guys think? Filthy rumour, no?

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

["I imagine, again totally without any foundation in fact whatsoever, without any credible evidence, that they're discussing how to deliver the biggest LTTE fundholders and deep-cover operatives in SL to you-know-who, in return for certain favours of a banking nature?"]

Honestly it's a ridiculous statement. There is no threat to anyone overseas, and without a threat of punishment there could not be a move to "surrender". No real punishable crimes ever committed. Sri Lankans have this uneducated idea that whatever they don't like is a crime, and they complain why other countries aren't arresting people for doing anything from carrying an LTTE flag to speaking on the phone with "terrorists". None of this is a crime in free and developed countries. Freedom of expression is a treasured right in the more civilized countries, and that even includes the right to organize functions to commemorate suicide bombers or anything else.

People who have held LTTE money are basically untouchable. There is no crime in "having money", so unless someone could physically trace the money to where it came from and where it exactly went to purchase weapons, there is no crime. And to do that would be next to impossible.

The only people Sri Lanka can torture and murder are the people in their country. Anyone outside Sri Lanka won't be scared at all of threats from the Sri Lankan government. In summary, your idea is just ridiculous. I wish you put more thought into it.

Rajah said...

yes peter
i Muslims jihad worse than Sinhalese regime. but it is fact that later its stated more change for Muslims jihads to win,

we have 2 chose

1 . support Muslims and get some advantage
2. stay idle, and continue our life.

i prefer 2 option. if Muslims win we can unite with who ever wins. after all Muslims and we speak same language, if necessary we have to change religion only.

event no jihad. Muslims going to be majority of the country in 50 years. don't forgot in the eelam war losers Tamil and Sinhalese (both life and welth). Muslims did not lost anything and they have cached the conflict and got political and economical advantage.

look now most govt higher position and business run by business like Tamils in pre 1950 era. soon Sinhalese will have conflict.

Rajah said...

one more chance freedom fighters from Sinhalese community to have separate county,

Mango said...

Badri, No, you misunderstand me. I don't mean your Eelamtards in the UK. They're quite safe to carry on with their credit card scams and gang-related criminal activity.

I was wondering out aloud about London-based Eelamtards ... um... spilling the beans on their colleagues in CMB through SLA MI, in London in return for certain .. reciprocal actions.

Hypothetically, of course. It would never happen. Not in a million years. Your guys (and girls) are quite safe.

Family First, and all that...

mahindan10, you need to calm down and conserve your strength to follow the wholly peaceful, non-violent path that the re-branded and re-launched LTTE is planning for you.

Which part of 'Shit Lanka' are you planning on visiting to pursue the New, Improved Peaceful Eelam ? It will be horrible for you.. to have to breathe the impure air exhaled by those cursed Chingalams. I feel your pain.

Or will you pursue Eelam, on-line? In a non-corporeal sort of way?

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Bhairav said...

[Hardcore or Softcore, I don't anticipate much of a future for any of these remaining ladies and gentlemen of Eelam. ]

7 years ago, I was selected for Air Force pilot program in a western country, but I opted to choose civilian job. The mindset i have now,and, lets say, I'm a fighter jet pilot, then all i need WMD to put the SL into stone age. My Tamil identity and pride are severely tested here by barbaric Sinhalese. I hope all the Tamils feel the same thing.

All the Tamils should work for one goal which is nothing but Tamil Eelam. May be we will go into sleeper mode for next 5 years, then come back with more vengeance and power.

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Mango said...

Bhairav, Congratulations on your air-force selection selection.

Why didn't you volunteer for the Tamil Eelam Airforce, when it was still in existence? How could you miss such a golden opportunity to prove your dedication to Eelam?

I bet you're kicking yourself for missing out on their final one-way missions to Colombo.

In this feverishly longed-for future when you get the chance to steal a nuke-equipped bomber and blitz Sri Lanka, I foresee a tiny problem.

Where will you aim your bomb?

You'll have to find an area with the highest number of non-Tamils and hope that the fallout (depending on the bomb yield) won't also affect your precious Eelamish peoples, nearby.

Colombo's out. So is Kandy. Where else? Jaffna's out of bounds.

Houston, we have a problem. Find an area of SL without any Tamils so that Bhairav can nuke it!I always suspected that racists were slightly mad - differently abled as they say. Eelamtards are no different to the BNP or Aryan Nations, just a different skin colour with heavier weaponry. Your fantasy proves it.

Anyway, why wait for five years? Gen. Fonseka's already extended a permanent invitation to Eelamists intent on continuing the armed struggle to get over to Sri Lanka. I don't think he had a paintball game in mind for you.

Keep buffing that 'Tamil Identity' and 'Tamil Pride'. It's gonna be a long night of the soul for you Eelamtards.

It will last the rest of your lives.

Mango said...

Badri says "All the Tamils should work for one goal which is nothing but Tamil Eelam. May be we will go into sleeper mode for next 5 years, then come back with more vengeance and power."Well, given that some Tamils worked, died & murdered for Eelam for almost 30 years, under a 'genius' leader and ended up with square root of bugger all, I'd say that the ROI for Eelam's looking almost as poor as the recently launched UK Govt Bonds.

Assuming that the GOSL don't really screw things up and make the situation worse for Tamils than under your previous owner, even in five years, you still have to get to Sri Lanka to launch your rebellion.

Haven't you learnt anything about running an insurgency? It's a full-time 'hands-on' job.
You can't outsource it to an Indian call centre.

Personally, I'd get out the Revolutionary Eelam market whilst you still can.

The returns are terrible.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

["I was wondering out aloud about London-based Eelamtards ... um... spilling the beans on their colleagues in CMB through SLA MI, in London in return for certain .. reciprocal actions."]

There is no real incentive for it to happen so it is just illogical. Those in London are safe from prosecution, and unless you had something to threaten them with there is no reason why they would do anything. For money? That option has always been open for the last 30 years and not too many people have betrayed their people for money.

Anonymous said...

[For money? That option has always been open for the last 30 years and not too many people have betrayed their people for money. ]


When the ltte was strong, there is more incentive to betray. after seeing how eelam tamils were treated in shit lanka, no tamil would do such a thing for money.

lets WAIT & SEE (TM) what'll happen to karuna, douglas, pillayan, etc. without the ltte!


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MPJ said...

Badri,

It in the news that people in IDP camps are beating up the ltte members & handing them over to SLA. Can you verify?

Veeran said...

The UNHRC Meeting will be indication of which way the wind is blowing for Tamils.

If they fail to sanction GOSL, then it is all over for tamils with no hope of atleast Political SOln.

If there is pressure, then GOSL will be forced to give atleast some semblance of autonomy to tamils.

Anonymous said...

[MPJ said...

Badri,

It in the news that people in IDP camps are beating up the ltte members & handing them over to SLA. Can you verify? ]



SLA wants to kill some tamils. to justify the killing of tamil youths the genocidal sla need some fictitious stories. so, this is a story. after all no one can talk to eelam tamil idps held within the barbed wire concentration camps!

even if something happened, it could have been easily a set-up drama by sla + paramilitary of EPDP or PLOTE or Karuna.



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Anonymous said...

[Veeran said...

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If there is pressure, then GOSL will be forced to give atleast some semblance of autonomy to tamils. ]


it all depends if there is a big power going to benefit when tamils are given federal or separate state! If so, everything will go well for tamils!

http://www.puthinam.com/full.php?2b1VoUe0docYo0ecKA443b4g6DB4d3f1e3cc2AmS3d434OO3a030Mt3e

சிறிலங்கா அரசு மீது உடனடி விசாரணை தேவை: இஸ்ரேல் கோரிக்கை


tamils would be happy to have all available friends including the above new friend!


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Peter said...

"The country has marshalled a team of powerful allies led by China, Russia and India to fight off a European-backed resolution."

"The two competing agendas clashed in the preliminary meeting when an Asian bloc led by India, Pakistan and Malaysia argued for today’s special session to be abandoned altogether. India, China and Egypt walked out of the meeting after this was refused."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6361091.ece

Peter said...

Aid officials, human rights campaigners and politicians claim Tamils have been driven out of areas in the north-east of the country by killings and kidnappings carried out by pro-government militias.

They say the government has simultaneously encouraged members of the Sinhalese majority in the south to relocate to the vacated villages.

One foreign charity worker told the Daily Telegraph the number of Tamils disappearing in and around Trincomalee, 50 miles south of the final conflict zone in Mullaitivu, had been increasing in the last three months.

Another aid worker said the killings were part of a strategy to drive out the Tamils.

"Eastern province is vulnerable, there's cleansing by the Sinhalese. There will be more problems with land grabbing. The demography changes and the Tamils who are the majority will soon become a minority," he said.

He claimed many villagers had moved out after the army declared their land to be part of a 'high security zone' and Sinhalese had been given incentives to move in to provide support services to new military bases.

Many Tamils sold their homes and land at below-market prices after members of their families had been killed or had disappeared, he said.

One western human rights advocate said Tamils in and around Trincomalee were terrified because they believed the police were either complicit in, or indifferent to, the numbers disappearing or found dead. "There's no investigation. It's a climate of terror and impunity," he said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/srilanka/5382676/Sri-Lanka-accused-of-ethnic-cleansing-of-Tamil-areas.html

Link

Achilles said...

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/1149/prabhakaran.png
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/9311/prabaaphotouveneverseen.jpg

going to delete the links in some hours!!

Veeran said...

These Pics are very gory & Seems like Prabha head injury is due to a very sharp weapon like a Axe or some other sharp weapon.

Seems like Prabha did not die after all due to bullet hit on his forehead.

Sacktheish said...

I think they hit LTTE leader with an axe.

Sacktheish said...

Even if LTTE leader was tortured, some of the army men would of filmed it with their phones, which might be released.

Veeran said...

This pic lends credibility to the theory that Prabha surrendered along with the entire Ltte leadership with his family too.

Now all the info is out in the open.

Gayan said...

[I think they hit LTTE leader with an axe.]

The longer he suffered, the better, For all the suffering he sent Sri Lankans through!!
The fat fuck!!

Malin said...

This does not look like close range gun fire. It could be high caliber bullet hit him in the head from a distance or as someone said axe in the head or in the battle he was unlucky to hit his head on sharp object due to explosion close by..

JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE

Gayan said...

[Now all the info is out in the open.]

TRUTH IS OUT THERE.... floating in Nanthikadaal lagoon!! :-)))

Achilles said...

We cannot say what has happened to him and all others are speculation or only a belief.
All others are speculation!!

Veeran said...

[TRUTH IS OUT THERE.... floating in Nanthikadaal lagoon!! :-)))
]

Truth is that in a war Sinhala Barbarians wont follow the Geneva convention for surrendered people.

Why the fuck u have a state ?

Achilles said...

[Truth is that in a war Sinhala Barbarians wont follow the Geneva convention for surrendered people.]

Truth is relative and it doesn't really exist; what we think of as truth is really only perception.

Veeran said...

[Truth is relative and it doesn't really exist; what we think of as truth is really only perception.
]

It is too STUPID to think that VP tried to cross over SLA defences wearing Tiger uniform with those id card & a rusted gun.

HE must have surrendered & as a gesture he must have given all those items to SLA.

frackster said...

Hmmmmmmmm info seem to understand some forensics !!! r u from the medical field or was it just a guess .... cos i also think ur right

FreedomFighter said...

Above pictures make me think.

This vedio on this link has singalese soldires talking about hitting him.

Praba Viedo With Sound

Malin said...

Veeran I dont know about you but if i were VP i would kill my self than surrender to enemy after the way he ran the LTTE. He was not human person, he was devil who sent other to thier deaths.

If he ever did try to surrender then he recived what he should.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

He may have been worried about leaving his family if he committed suicide. Imagine being in that situation with your family there. You can't just take cyanide and abandon your family members. Neither could he force them all to take cyanide. Whatever happened, his family members were definitely adding to the problem at that time.

Gayan said...

FF,
[This vedio on this link has singalese soldires talking about hitting him.]

Could've done a lot worse than hitting him, but if you know Sinhala you would have understood that the soldiers are talking about the way he was shot and about taking his body away!! Another soldier mockingly calls 'Praba' and the 'Prabo'!! They are just relieved the mass murdering lunatic head tiger is dead!!

Achilles said...

[Sinhala Barbarians wont follow the Geneva convention for surrendered people.]
June 10, 1990: The LTTE signals the breakdown of ceasefire talks by overrunning police stations located throughout the North East of Sri Lanka. The LTTE massacred most of the 400 to 600 police officers captured after they had surrendered to the LTTE during this attack.

What do you think?? Was it OK to kill most of surrended police officers?

Gayan said...

[He may have been worried about leaving his family if he committed suicide.]

Then he was never a real leader!! He didn't give a damn when families of his followers died around him, he only wanted to save himself and his family!! What kind of a leadership is that!!
Think of the thousands of lives that could have been saved if he committed suicide before closing Maavil-Aaru!!

Veeran said...

Badri,

DOes the head injury on Prabha looks like a bullet riddled one or with a sharp edged weapon ?

There seems to be no other bullet injury on the body & that makes it suspicious.

Malin said...

Editor: "Badrinath" what you say is not and excuse, why wait till the last minute. no matter what is said it his fault in the end for what ever happened. If cared about his family he could have tried to send them to india or some where. Dont make exuces for him.

He died as a hero in battle or was excuted after surrendering as coward.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

["DOes the head injury on Prabha looks like a bullet riddled one or with a sharp edged weapon ?

There seems to be no other bullet injury on the body & that makes it suspicious."]

To me it looks either like an axe or a high caliber weapon. We need to have a medical expert look at the wound and advise. I would tend to lean towards axe.

Gayan said...

[He died as a hero in battle or was excuted after surrendering as coward.]

Bet a million it was the second!!

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

["Editor: "Badrinath" what you say is not and excuse, why wait till the last minute."]

I'm not trying to justify it or excuse it. I was just trying to suggest a motive behind it. It was a mistake just like the entire last six months.

Veeran said...

[I would tend to lean towards axe.
]

THat explains why MR came from jordan abruptly & said that the soil has been eradicated from terrorism.

EVen some ogre said in DW that he was killed by axe.

Veeran said...

[But SLA have ass fucked a lot of Peelamist LTTP faggots over the last three years!! :-))
]

Yep...Necrophilia at its best with SLA. we knew that well

Wat a bunch of Barbarians race.

Malin said...

Ok guy what do you all will think happen today at UN.. Sri Lanka been able to muster 18 countries mean what ever the outcome MR has done great.

Even if west tries to force resalution on us it would not go as they expect.

Passing resolutions is one thing but been challenged on it means put serious doubts on how it will be implemented.

I am like shocked to see how he managed to get support of 18 countries. This is more than enough to put a fight :)

FreedomFighter said...

Hi Guys Here another vidio which clims that are 2 gun shoot wounds to the neck..

Guns shootssee time 0.21

its seems to me like flys.

There number of videos from Indians Tv talking about that.

Widana said...

So what's the verdict.. train 10,000 youth in other armies and send them to Sri Lanka in 10 years?
Or start the insurgency in Sri Lanka ASAP?
I bet the first won't happen.. you cowards won't fight, and you won't let your children fight. You just want to fund some kids in Sri Lanka to fight. But they have learnt your true nature - they won't do the same mistake again.

Reasonably Treasonable said...

Dear wijayapala,

I am posting my reply here, in case you haven't read it on DW. If you choose to reply, feel free to reply here or in DW.

“How many Tamils do you think will get killed over the next 25 years, compared to those who were killed over the last 25?”

That’s a nonsensical comparison from the vantage of my argument, since those killed over the last 25 years include the 7000+ casualties of the last 6 months, which I argued against, not for, by supporting the ceasefire calls.

The number of innocent Tamils and Sinhalese who will be killed over the next 25 years will depend on how long it takes people to end communalism and tyranny in SL politics. The manner in which this war has ended will, I think, make this harder, not easier, to achieve.

“By shelling the SLA for however long you think appropriate to sit and wait for the LTTE to release the civilians.”

How would the LTTE have been able to keep shelling the SLA indefinitely, with the arms embargo the SLDF and international community had imposed?

Reasonably Treasonable said...

Dear wijayapala,

(cont.)

“In any case I am more interested in hearing what the UTHR has to say about the East, rather than another ignorant western journalist.”

UTHR has sort of dropped the ball of late. From what I can see, it’s only released 3 bulletins in the last 2 years, despite a huge upsurge in human rights violations by both the LTTE and SLA in that period. HRW, on the other hand, has been doing a very good job at consistently and vociferously charting human rights abuses, and has not had much nice to say about the situation in the East. Can you name and cite any independent organisations that have praised what has happened in the East over the last few years? The Island and SPUR don’t count.

“Things shifted by the end of the CFA, though. The Tamils felt betrayed by the LTTE which had first promised peace but then started screaming about iruthi por. The people had already known that the LTTE could never win militarily and could only suck their children into an endless pit. That is why virtually no one stepped forward on behalf of the LTTE in recent years.”

There has certainly been growing disenchantment with the LTTE, but this has not translated into increasing esteem for the SLG. This is why the GOSL is current imprisoning hundreds of thousands of its supposed citizens in concentration camps, and not allowing any independent aid organisations into those camps to ask them how they feel about what’s going on.

For all your meandering, at the end of the day, you have lined yourself squarely behind a government that veils itself in secrecy. By supporting a government whose modus operandi is secrecy, you have essentially given it a carte blanche to do whatever it likes. I am sure that you are clever enough to know very well what it is doing with those priveleges. So when all the sorry stories of SLA war crimes surface in the months and years to come – and they have already started – that will be for your conscience to deal with.

“Then you clearly don't seem to know much about the east. The LTTE conscripted children by the thousands per year to feed the northern war. How does that compare with the number of children currently at large in the TMVP????”

Can you provide a credible source indicating that the LTTE conscripted children by the “thousands per year”? More importantly, can you show that they were recruiting at this rate in the period 2006-2009, since this was the period with which we are comparing GOSL-backed Karuna?

Funny thing is that now that the LTTE is gone, only SLA-backed Karuna keeps child soldiers. How are you enjoying that company? I hear they are having a field day recruiting children in the newly formed concentration camps, too. Is this your idea of liberation?

“You're absolutely right- the LTTE has done so much to improve things for the Tamils. I wish I had figured that out.”

Where did I ever imply that I believe that? It’s perfectly possible to argue that the LTTE and GOSL have both been equally inept at improving the lot for the average Tamil (and Sinhalese). And that is what I'm arguing. By criticising the SLG mercilessly, I needn’t rub shoulders with the LTTE.

Reasonably Treasonable said...

Dear wijayapala,

(cont.)

“You have a very good point, but you haven't shown how things would be better with an intact LTTE in control of the north (and/or east), a situation which would require a large number of soldiers in any case. At least now we have an excuse to demobilize the SLA, slowly in stages of course.”

You believe that the “peace” that has been achieved through war will create an atmosphere conducive to democratisation of SL politics, de-militarisation etc. My own argument is not much different – had, for instance, an LTTE statelet/regional autonomous zone been established in the North/East (or, if you take the more minimalist position I’ve argued for in the last few posts, just a few square km of land in the NE…), and a situation of relative peace prevailed (like during the CFA period), then the Tamils in LTTE territory would be less willing to stand idly by while the Tigers trampled over them. The LTTE would lose its “excuse” for its brutal measures (and in the South, so would the GOSL). Of course, the fight wouldn’t be easy – on the contrary, it would be damn hard. But so was the war. And at least, in this case, the right people would be fighting, and for the right reasons.

“Killing Fonseka wouldn't end the war, because he's not in charge of the govt. You missed my point about democratic systems vs. non-democratic.”

He’s not in charge of the govt, but it would be hard to deny that if Fonseka, and, say, his closest circle of advisors, had been assassinated early in the piece, the war would not have taken a different turn. Or that killing military leaders at certain critical junctures can reduce enemy morale, and score decisive victories, even in democracies. I’m not saying that these things justify suicide bombings that kill civilians – but apparently you are.

“BTW, did the IC find anything "morally objectionable" to the attempted killing of Fonseka which did result in other people's deaths?? Or the killing of dozens of soldiers in December 2005 during the CFA?”

I can’t speak for the IC, but I can speak for myself. Yes, I found those actions appalling, and I feel very badly for all the people killed and their families.

I'm very happy for whatever remains of the LTTE to be tried in person or absentia for the many war crimes committed by that outfit over the years. Just as GOSL and SLA figures responsible for war crimes should be.

Malin said...

FreedomFighter the Moron..

Can you explain how come two dot apear instantly.. out of the blue.. :)

at 19 second thier are no dot near the neck but by 22 second (Zazzammm) two marke apear..

:) nice joke

wijayapala said...

Myth of 'Living Prabhakaran'.

Paris, 26 May, (Asiantribune.com): While the top diaspora members fight over the future strategy of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE), the Tamil professionals and commercial establishments in Europe have expressed disgust over 'utterly selfish motives' of the LTTE’s Department of Diaspora Affairs (DDA). They were referring to the DDA’s statement that the 'LTTE leadership is safe and it will re-emerge when the right time comes.'

"The DDA has kept on feeding us stories that Tigers would fight back and deal a fatal blow to the Sri Lankan army and collected thousands of EUROs for various emergency funds," stated Gopal Sivarasa, a trader in Tamil predominant La Chapelle in Paris. "Even last week we donated funds after the tiny beachhead of Mulaithivu was encircled by the Sri Lankan army. The DDA said that they wanted funds for missiles for the final assault which will kill 'thousands of soldiers.' Because we had hopes against hope, we donated as much as we could. I wonder where all that money is?" he lamented.

Another trader, who did not disclose his name, wanted the French police to investigate into the affairs of DDA which included extortion, intimidation and money laundering. "I am sure large part of the funds went into their pockets," he said furiously. "That is why the DDA says Prabhakaran is alive. The whole world including LTTE leaders such as Kumaran (Selvaraja) Pathmanathan knows the truth that Prabhakaran was killed on May 17."

It is apparent that the LTTE dispora leadership is split on future strategies. While Pathmanathan has acknowledged the death of Prabhakaran in an interview with BBC, the LTTE’s DDA wants to keep the myth alive to ensure future fund collections. The DDA got hold of LTTE mouthpiece Tamilnet, which carried a statement that "the Tamil national cause cannot afford to be deviated and exploited by others through questions such as whether the LTTE leader V. Pirapaharan is alive or not or whether the armed struggle has to be continued or not. The Tamil diaspora, the only section of the Eezham Tamil community that has the freedom and means to come out with authentic voice, has a historic responsibility in telling the world what they aspire for in no uncertain terms, and in seeing their righteous cause not hijacked by their enemies."

It is evident hat the DDA believes that Pathmanathan is 'hijacking' the organization and he is ‘the enemy’.

Pathmanathan, as the head of the LTTE’s Department of International Relations, on Sunday announced that the LTTE Leader Velupillai Pirapaharan attained 'martyrdom fighting the military oppression of the Sri Lankan state on 17 May.' However, the LTTE’s Department for Diaspora Affairs (DDA) told TamilNet that it would not comment without explicit authorisation from the LTTE leadership. In the meantime, the Intelligence Department of the Tigers reiterated on Sunday that the LTTE leadership is safe and it will re-emerge when the right time comes.

The DDA has funded the election campaigns of Tamil Nadu politicians such as V Gopalasamy alias Vaiko of MDMK and Pazha Nedumaran of Kamraj Congress. Hence they immediately expressed scepticism Sunday on the reports of Mr. Pirapaharan's demise, thus supporting the DDA.

"Whoever emerges victorious in this leadership struggle, we will not donate a cent hereafter," says Kumarappah Nathan of the phone-card shop at La Chapelle. "We have been fooled many times but we continued to contribute as long as Prabhakaran was alive and the LTTE held territory. Now any contribution is just like throwing water in the river".

Many Tamil diaspora members pointed out that evidence for Pirapaharan's demise was conclusive. "There is no doubt about Prabhakaran’s body and the Sri Lankan military displayed it as proof it had won a quarter-century civil war," Gopal said. "Now we have accepted that and we will send remittances to our poor relations in the north and no more donations for the LTTE".

- Asian Tribune -

Malin said...

SHIT I take back what i said before those marks are there because of the dirt in the camera.. didnt see that, anyway FreedomFighter is still a Moron

Veeran said...

The angle at which the head injury indicates that it was done with huge force by a sharp edged weapon when his hands may be tied.

Does not look like a High Caliber firearm at short range on his head.

IT is too pathetic to see pics of prabha like this.

Malin said...

Veeran it could be from a High Caliber firearm like anti aircraft gun. (but from a distance)

Rajah said...

wijayapala

small request. please avoid long post.i hope you don't mind.

FreedomFighter said...

Malin.. Dick Head I did say it could be fly.
It was silly how Indian media picked on that.
Actually I saw another viedo where those gun shoots flying a way.

Any there is missing cyanide capsule and gun shoots, 1 + 1. Its suicide. And Some Brave Soldier smashed the head afterwards.
No idea if its Praba or someone else.

Veeran said...

[Veeran it could be from a High Caliber firearm like anti aircraft gun ]

If that is so, then the entire Face Skull would have exploded

Not a sharp cut on the direct head.

Malin said...

Think of it this way the bullet hit side of the head and forced its way out of front for head.

again i am no forensic expert.. so it could be anything

Veeran said...

[Think of it this way the bullet hit side of the head and forced its way out of front for head]

That is Possible only when it is done in a Point blank range.

In the video where Prabha body is found, a Cap covers the head injury of Prabha & definitely that is not the tiger cap which Prabha uses normally.

Why GOSL must hide the head injury wound of Prabha from the eyes of world & various Defence experts if Prabha was killed by a firearm Bullet ?

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

If it was an axe, my doubt would be why the eyes are open. There is no way I wouldn't blink if someone is facing me with an ax. But I don't really know how the body reacts when hit. There may be involuntary muscle reflexes involved that could open or close the eyes.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

We need to check the body for an exit wound. That would tell clearly if it is a bullet or not. The head appears to be fully intact behind, though I can't see it clearly. That would suggest no exit wound, but still inconclusive since we don't have a direct photo of the back of the head.

Sacktheish said...

when someone punches you in the face, the eyes close no matter what, you feel unconscious for a little while, (four seconds)...

Veeran said...

Badri,

Remember the mud Sprinkled all over the body of Prabha.

Why was the need for GOSL to sprinkle mud all over his semi nude body since there is no way he would have got all the mud on his body by himself.

Peter said...

A medical doctor with field experience told me that if cause of death is deep wound, e.g. gun shots to then, then, face would not bloat.

Conclusion was that a bloated, already dead, body was subjected to injuries.

Does anyone have any doubts about this medical assessment?

Peter said...

Veeran,

Mud is used to cover blisters and soak up leaks on a body that is about two days old. It is common in villages with no refrigeration facility, where a body is kept for that long.

Well, lime is most common but mud is second best.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

["Remember the mud Sprinkled all over the body of Prabha.

Why was the need for GOSL to sprinkle mud all over his semi nude body since there is no way he would have got all the mud on his body by himself."]

My opinion was that it was just to insult him. Make him naked and rub mud all over to humiliate him in front of his followers. Others suggested it was to cover torture marks that may have been visible.

Veeran said...

Peter,

EVen if DNA test was not done, GOSL must have done atleast a Post mortem to determine abt the injury that killed Praba & shld have come out with the report.

They did not chose to do so.

They cremated the body abruptly without any independent checking, it will be a mystery as to how prabha died unless there is a video/ photo if at all there is one.

Editor: "Badrinath" said...

["EVen if DNA test was not done, GOSL must have done atleast a Post mortem to determine abt the injury that killed Praba & shld have come out with the report."]

Even if a DNA test was done, people will say it was fake. If a postmortem was done, people will say that was fake too. If a video of the postmortem was done, people will say it was a rubber doll in the video. If the body was displayed in Colombo, people will say why it wasn't displayed in Kandy instead, so it must be fake. If the body was burnt, then it was fake. If the body was buried without location given, then it was also fake. Basically anything will be said as fake because in this case everything must naturally comes to us through the Sri Lankan government. There is no "proof" that would be acceptable to someone who doesn't want to believe it.

Veeran said...

[Even if a DNA test was done, people will say it was fake. If a postmortem was done, people will say that was fake too ]

Badri,

U seem so bitter abt the Eelamists who are yet to come to terms abt the Myth of Sun God crashing down.

Tamils must learn to use their brain than just being Emotional. Now they have got USA, UK & even Israel has supported tamils over GOSL.

Someone must take it forward to get a peaceful Political Solution.

Peter said...

Badri,

I think there is a difference between total insistence and balanced skepticism.

Showing body to international press, allowing some independent oversight (DNA or otherwise) and burial are common practice in similar cases elsewhere, e.g. Saddam's sons in Iraq.

Anyone who queries why only military personal were allowed to see the body, and why is was cremated in haste have legitimate concerns.

There is a fine balance between those who want to believe VP is alive and those who want to believe VP is dead. A critical look at presented evidence simply means that the person is convinced of either.

Illusion said...

U all can see there are two cut injuries perpendicular to each other. One is extending from left eye to the right edge of the head. The other one crossing the 1st injury just above the forehead. Both have sharp edges. So it was caused by a heavy sharp cutting edge weapon. He would have definitely closed his eyes but anybody can forcefully open it before rigor mortis (postmortem changes) occur. Look at his eyes, the cornea is very clear not even hazy. So if has been killed on the same day. Blisters wont occur before the abdomen and face swelling. The body colour will also change before blistering. Look at the abdomen it is not swollen and fair. So it was an execution by a heavy sharp weapon like axe.

Ashok Kumar said...

Iam confused about the whole thing like anybody else and only the future developments should shed light on the mystery.

In Tamilnadu, the Tamil media and Television including Sun and Kalaignar TV totally ignored KP's statement.

Some like Makkal TV only gave the rejoinder given by Nedumaran and Vaiko. Both of them have made very strong statements against KP.

In general the people feel that VP is alive.

Only surviving commanders of LTTE from Vanni, if any, can come out with the facts.

KP is also confirming the death of VP as 'informed by reliable sources (or friends)'. Who are they?

With what confidence others are claiming that VP is alive? They have to face the people, for whatever statements they are making today.

Achilles said...

[KP is also confirming the death of VP as 'informed by reliable sources (or friends)'. Who are they? ]
May be SLDF??

abc said...

[So it was an execution by a heavy sharp weapon like axe.]

Yes, he was brutally murdered in custody.

Achilles said...

Sixty cadres of LTTE jungle teams discussing with me to surrender

Karuna Amman says that around 60 cadres of LTTE jungle teams are communicating with him to seek a way to surrender to the government.

The Minister said that he was discussing the issue with the Ministry of Defense and they can be granted amnesty if surrendered early.

Minister Karuna Amman said that all the Tiger cadres spared in the Eastern Province sans their leader Ram the murderer were contacting him seeking assistance to surrender. He further said that K. P. alias Kumaran Pathmanathan had pledged to save LTTE leader Prabakaran but he let him to be killed expecting the future leadership and international financial control of the LTTE.

Karuna Amman appeals from the Tamils living country wide that they should no fund LTTE and the Tamils should organize independently.

Hon. Minister of National Integration Karuna Amman (Lanka E-News)

abc said...

What's the status of UN meeting today?

Ashok Kumar said...

If VP had been caught alive by the army, why would they kill him in a hurry?

In such cases any govt usually

- Keep the information of capture as a secret or deny any news.

- Keep the person in an undisclosed location

- interrogate, torture till all required details are obtained (as long as it takes)

- kill if they decide so and inform the world that he was just found

- or announce his capture and send him to prison to face legal proceedings

VP would have been a prize catch and so much could have been extracted from him. No government would let the opportunity to go just like that.

Or this must have happened much before even 17th and must have been kept as a secret.

aKa said...

UN meeting going on now

watch live video

http://www.un.org/webcast/unhrc/

aKa said...

UN rights chief calls for Sri Lanka probe

UN human rights chief Navi Pillay on Tuesday called for an international investigation into attacks on civilians during the final stages of the civil war in Sri Lanka

aKa said...

Sri Lanka has rejected a call by U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon to lift restrictions on aid delivery and unhindered access by humanitarian groups to overcrowded displacement camps. The Secretary General ’s hurriedly planned visit to Sri Lanka Saturday was designed to keep the spotlight on the plight of the several hundred thousand civilians displaced by the recently-concluded civil war there.

Sacktheish said...

thanks 'aKa' for the link.

Shun said...

Thanks for link Aka

Unknown said...

Live UN Human rights council meeting

http://www.un.org/webcast/unhrc/

Unknown said...

oopss.. I didn't refresh to see the new comments, the link has been posted already.

aKa said...

Fears that Sri Lanka to occupy the north

THE Sri Lankan army will recruit an extra 100,000 soldiers to crush any attempt to revive the Tamil Tiger movement, triggering accusations the Government plans a military occupation of the Tamil-dominated north.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25542821-25837,00.html

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